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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Hobo
 
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Default Why is brown rice flour the best?



Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing medium. Why is this?
What if one uses regular white flour?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
tomb
 
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Hobo wrote:
|| Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing medium. Why is this?

I was asking myself the same question a while back. Part of it is just
experimenting with different substrates and "training" a strain to grow
there.

But of course there is also a biological/chemical reason for the preference
of brown rice. One point, I noticed, was that psylocybin (not psilocin)
contains phosphorus, an element that isn't all that common. Where does it
get it from? Not from the spores, not from the water - that only leaves the
rice. Brown rice just happens to have the highest levels of phosphorus out
of all the rices.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...spice&dbid=128

And besides, it's better for you than white rice. Any leftovers make a good
meal!

|| What if one uses regular white flour?

Try it and report back. Might be way too starchy.


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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Hobo
 
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In article <buvogg$n0sbu$1@ID-207360.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"tomb" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Not from the spores, not from the water - that only leaves the
> rice. Brown rice just happens to have the highest levels of phosphorus out
> of all the rices.


At the smokedot forums someone said growing mediums that were high in
protein produced more potent mushrooms. Now, brown rice doesn't strike
me as high in protein. Is there any truth to the protein theory?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
tomb
 
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Hobo wrote:
|| At the smokedot forums someone said growing mediums that were high in
|| protein produced more potent mushrooms. Now, brown rice doesn't
|| strike
|| me as high in protein. Is there any truth to the protein theory?

I wouldn't know. Seems like rice (any kind) is mainly high in carbohydrates,
but not protein?


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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
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> || Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing medium. Why is this?

> But of course there is also a biological/chemical reason for the preference
> of brown rice. One point, I noticed, was that psylocybin (not psilocin)
> contains phosphorus, an element that isn't all that common. Where does it
> get it from? Not from the spores, not from the water - that only leaves the
> rice. Brown rice just happens to have the highest levels of phosphorus out
> of all the rices.


> || What if one uses regular white flour?
>
> Try it and report back. Might be way too starchy.


I currrently got 6 jars with organcic white rice flour growing, so far
(all 100% colonized and should be pinning soon) I've noticed no
difference as far as speed of growth is concerned. So it does not seem
to matter much for growth, but i can't say anything about potency yet.
I was going to experiment with some bulk growing methods, so the
shrooms could still get the nutrients neccessary from the bulk growing
medium.

It seems impossbible to get ground brown rice around here and I don't
have a coffee grinder anymore, next I'll try organic broun rye flour,
that would be the cheapest option anyways and easy to get ground.

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her.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
MJ
 
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Hobo <noemail@noemail.com> writes:

> Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing medium. Why is this?
> What if one uses regular white flour?


Said by who? Are you talking about the PF-tek?

I don't know if PF has commented on why he chose brown rice,
but my conjecture is that his primary goal was making the
process easy for a casual cultivator--i.e., someone without
a pressure cooker or an autoclave.

Brown rice, like all the grains sold for us people to eat,
is significantly cleaner than the grains sold as animal food.
The initial bacterial endospore load is low enough that
there's a reasonable chance that just boiling brown rice flour
& vermiculite jars will get them clean enough to successfully
cultivate.

There are lots of people-grains available in specialty stores,
but brown rice is available in every grocery store in the world.
It's a natural choice.

(White rice is brown rice that's been stripped of the outer
layer of bran. Less nutritious for mushrooms and people. I
have no real idea what you'd get, if anything, by growing in
white rice, though.)

(Oh. And a corollary of my conjecture: If you've got a
pressure cooker, there's no reason to bother with the
PF tek. You can just use whole grains.)

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MJ
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Jacobe Hazzard
 
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flying piglet wrote:
> > || Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing
> > || medium. Why is this?

>
> > But of course there is also a biological/chemical
> > reason for the preference of brown rice. One point, I
> > noticed, was that psylocybin (not psilocin) contains
> > phosphorus, an element that isn't all that common.
> > Where does it get it from? Not from the spores, not
> > from the water - that only leaves the rice. Brown rice
> > just happens to have the highest levels of phosphorus
> > out of all the rices.

>
> > || What if one uses regular white flour?
> >
> > Try it and report back. Might be way too starchy.

>
> I currrently got 6 jars with organcic white rice flour
> growing, so far (all 100% colonized and should be pinning
> soon) I've noticed no
> difference as far as speed of growth is concerned. So it
> does not seem
> to matter much for growth, but i can't say anything about
> potency yet.
> I was going to experiment with some bulk growing methods,
> so the
> shrooms could still get the nutrients neccessary from the
> bulk growing medium.
>
> It seems impossbible to get ground brown rice around here
> and I don't
> have a coffee grinder anymore, next I'll try organic
> broun rye flour,
> that would be the cheapest option anyways and easy to get
> ground.


Tell us how it goes. I woulg guess that the shrooms would be small and/or
sickly, and you will probably get fewer flushes. White flour is less
nutritious than brown.
A person can live off nothing but brown rice and water for quite some time,
try to eat a white rice diet and you will quickly become sick.


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Old 09-21-2007, 11:58 AM
Just some guy
 
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> It seems impossbible to get ground brown rice around here and I don't
> have a coffee grinder anymore, next I'll try organic broun rye flour,
> that would be the cheapest option anyways and easy to get ground.


i've grown on organic rye flour for some time, with satisfactory results.
you can grow nice shrooms on rye imho


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Old 09-21-2007, 11:59 AM
captainmaxmushroom@sporelab.com
 
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Default Re: Why is brown rice flour the best?

Might be best when using the pftek but bulk substrates like horse
manure compost, straw or even worm castings will produce bigger,
better mushies!


www.sporelab.com




On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:36:40 -0800, Hobo <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Brown rice flour is said to be the best growing medium. Why is this?
>What if one uses regular white flour?


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Old 09-21-2007, 12:01 PM
Mike O'Logical
 
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Default Re: Why is brown rice flour the best?

White rice has the fiber removed... not good for growing shrooms at all.


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