Re: Psi. Cubensis on Horse Manure?

[Kiamors]

I heard that the cubes' spores fall on the grass in the pasture, and
the grass is eaten and digested by the animal, and the spores that
survive are deposited out of the cow in the manure. the manure
contains moisture and nutrients for the mycelium. they then form a
mycelium network inside the manure and when they finally reach the
edge of the patty, then they fruit. and this causes the mushrooms.

at least, thats what i've heard

[Harry]

I'm far from an expert but I do tend to look to common sense a bit. I can be
wrong, it has happened before and may be happening right now but... In
clinical situations, sterile rooms with perfect conditions and the best
substrate it still takes much, much longer for mycelium to grow into a
mushroom then a few nights. It's highly unlikely that a fresh cow turd is
anything more than a casing layer or perhaps a nutrient blast in conjunction
with a temperature & humidity blast. I clearly don't "know" anything about
anything if you are following my posts, but it seems that if we can't do it
in a lab, nature probably can't do it twice as fast in a non-sterile field.
One fruit fly is enough to ruin a crop unless the crop is growing from under
the somewhat protected covering of dried crap!



I have never been hunting and I have only the knowledge I have read about
naturally occurring shrooms but it seems that shrooms are usually found on
"not so fresh" or completely decomposed piles of dung. I would love to see
the research that demonstrates that North America has Bulls to thank for
shrooms. I mean what's more likely, a spore can endure the multi stomach
system of the bovine or that a guy found a shroom growing in a cow turd and
made an assumption??? Spores like all other microscopic "seeds" can travel
around the world on the wind. Just look into the flu bug. It is a year round
job to track the strains of the flu bug so we get the best guess at the
correct flu shot in our area each year.



This can be wrong, as I say I don't have first hand experience and I never
underestimate my power to be an idiot but what are the chances?



Just a little drunk and venting, thanks for your time ;-)




"Kiamors" <Cid_highwind_87@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e8ac77ea.0306251833.b27132c@posting.google.co m...
> I heard that the cubes' spores fall on the grass in the pasture, and
> the grass is eaten and digested by the animal, and the spores that
> survive are deposited out of the cow in the manure. the manure
> contains moisture and nutrients for the mycelium. they then form a
> mycelium network inside the manure and when they finally reach the
> edge of the patty, then they fruit. and this causes the mushrooms.
>
> at least, thats what i've heard

[captainmaxmushroom@sporelab.com]

Ya, you are wrong. Spores and seeds of millions of plants are routinly
distrubitued by being eaten in one spot and then pooped out in
another. Thats how nature does it! Many plants rely on this way of
spore and seed distribution.

And nature will grow shrooms much eaiser outdoors than you will
indoors anyday. A fruit fly may cause a problem in a lab because it
doesn't belong there but not in nature it's part of the cycle. And I
doubt a fruit fly would bother a mushroom anyways, at least in nature.
There is no sugar in a mushroom, a fruit fly would not be attracted to
it. But maybe if one got trapped in your indoor terrarium it would be
a different story esp. if you are using a honey tek or what not.

If you have ever worked with compost, you will know that an entire
tray can be colonized in just a few days. I'm not saying that the cow
takes a dump and the next day there are mushrooms, maybe it takes a
few weeks but this is a common way for them to spread.

The mushroom is NOT growing from the ground up through the several
inches of manure. Of this i'm sure.


www.sporelab.com





On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:34:28 GMT, "Harry" <harry725@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I'm far from an expert but I do tend to look to common sense a bit. I can be
>wrong, it has happened before and may be happening right now but... In
>clinical situations, sterile rooms with perfect conditions and the best
>substrate it still takes much, much longer for mycelium to grow into a
>mushroom then a few nights. It's highly unlikely that a fresh cow turd is
>anything more than a casing layer or perhaps a nutrient blast in conjunction
>with a temperature & humidity blast. I clearly don't "know" anything about
>anything if you are following my posts, but it seems that if we can't do it
>in a lab, nature probably can't do it twice as fast in a non-sterile field.
>One fruit fly is enough to ruin a crop unless the crop is growing from under
>the somewhat protected covering of dried crap!
>
>
>
>I have never been hunting and I have only the knowledge I have read about
>naturally occurring shrooms but it seems that shrooms are usually found on
>"not so fresh" or completely decomposed piles of dung. I would love to see
>the research that demonstrates that North America has Bulls to thank for
>shrooms. I mean what's more likely, a spore can endure the multi stomach
>system of the bovine or that a guy found a shroom growing in a cow turd and
>made an assumption??? Spores like all other microscopic "seeds" can travel
>around the world on the wind. Just look into the flu bug. It is a year round
>job to track the strains of the flu bug so we get the best guess at the
>correct flu shot in our area each year.
>
>
>
>This can be wrong, as I say I don't have first hand experience and I never
>underestimate my power to be an idiot but what are the chances?
>
>
>
>Just a little drunk and venting, thanks for your time ;-)
>
>
>
>
>"Kiamors" <Cid_highwind_87@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e8ac77ea.0306251833.b27132c@posting.google.co m...
>> I heard that the cubes' spores fall on the grass in the pasture, and
>> the grass is eaten and digested by the animal, and the spores that
>> survive are deposited out of the cow in the manure. the manure
>> contains moisture and nutrients for the mycelium. they then form a
>> mycelium network inside the manure and when they finally reach the
>> edge of the patty, then they fruit. and this causes the mushrooms.
>>
>> at least, thats what i've heard
>

[Ben Stein]

I agree, Max. At least about the mushroom not growing from the ground. I
don't know about the spores being eaten and then distributed in feces,
although I have heard that before. Either theory seems reasonable to me,
and both probably happen regulary.

I am by no means an expert, but I have been picking shrooms in Florida
since 1979. I have seen cubes growing directly from the ground with no
evidence of manure or compost to be seen, but keep in mind these pastures
have had cattle shitting in them for many, many years and the ground itself
is very fertile. But the far more likely scenario is a nice flush seen
growing directly from the poo, which is never fresh.

A fully 'composted' turd (which is the kind shrooms tend to adopt) is much
like a brick of dense peat moss, very dry and as light as styrofoam and is
actually quite clean. Not the gross fresh pile everyone imagines. Before I
learned to "respect the field", I actually harvested a few chunks of
colonized dung to see what use I could find for it at home. If you pick up
a nicely composted cow patty, you are likely to see the bottom 2/3
colonized by our friend the pure white mycelium of P.Cubensis. Had I known
then a fraction of what I know now, I might have at least attempted to grow
these out. But I was such a lazt stoner then;) But, yes, Nature's lab is
far superior, so much more balanced & efficient than anything we can come
up with.

I have friends ask, when told of all the sterile requirements of home
cultivaton, "how do these things ever grow in the wild? In shit, no less!"
To which I can only answer, "Hey! Don't look a gift cow in the ass!"

Ben

captainmaxmushroom@sporelab.com wrote in
news:gbslfvkphb42tji7h0vnb6qtu3ko52hv1r@4ax.com:

> Ya, you are wrong. Spores and seeds of millions of plants are routinly
> distrubitued by being eaten in one spot and then pooped out in
> another. Thats how nature does it! Many plants rely on this way of
> spore and seed distribution.
>
> And nature will grow shrooms much eaiser outdoors than you will
> indoors anyday. A fruit fly may cause a problem in a lab because it
> doesn't belong there but not in nature it's part of the cycle. And I
> doubt a fruit fly would bother a mushroom anyways, at least in nature.
> There is no sugar in a mushroom, a fruit fly would not be attracted to
> it. But maybe if one got trapped in your indoor terrarium it would be
> a different story esp. if you are using a honey tek or what not.
>
> If you have ever worked with compost, you will know that an entire
> tray can be colonized in just a few days. I'm not saying that the cow
> takes a dump and the next day there are mushrooms, maybe it takes a
> few weeks but this is a common way for them to spread.
>
> The mushroom is NOT growing from the ground up through the several
> inches of manure. Of this i'm sure.
>
>
> www.sporelab.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:34:28 GMT, "Harry" <harry725@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm far from an expert but I do tend to look to common sense a bit. I
>>can be wrong, it has happened before and may be happening right now
>>but... In clinical situations, sterile rooms with perfect conditions
>>and the best substrate it still takes much, much longer for mycelium
>>to grow into a mushroom then a few nights. It's highly unlikely that a
>>fresh cow turd is anything more than a casing layer or perhaps a
>>nutrient blast in conjunction with a temperature & humidity blast. I
>>clearly don't "know" anything about anything if you are following my
>>posts, but it seems that if we can't do it in a lab, nature probably
>>can't do it twice as fast in a non-sterile field. One fruit fly is
>>enough to ruin a crop unless the crop is growing from under the
>>somewhat protected covering of dried crap!
>>
>>
>>
>>I have never been hunting and I have only the knowledge I have read
>>about naturally occurring shrooms but it seems that shrooms are
>>usually found on "not so fresh" or completely decomposed piles of
>>dung. I would love to see the research that demonstrates that North
>>America has Bulls to thank for shrooms. I mean what's more likely, a
>>spore can endure the multi stomach system of the bovine or that a guy
>>found a shroom growing in a cow turd and made an assumption??? Spores
>>like all other microscopic "seeds" can travel around the world on the
>>wind. Just look into the flu bug. It is a year round job to track the
>>strains of the flu bug so we get the best guess at the correct flu
>>shot in our area each year.
>>
>>
>>
>>This can be wrong, as I say I don't have first hand experience and I
>>never underestimate my power to be an idiot but what are the chances?
>>
>>
>>
>>Just a little drunk and venting, thanks for your time ;-)
>>

[Harry]

A very nice ready with a truly entertaining ending!!! I give it a thumbs up


"Ben Stein" <spezzopzkid@wormhole.tsu> wrote in message
news:Xns93A6C4EECACB3yogifidohotmailcom@65.32.1.8. ..
> I agree, Max. At least about the mushroom not growing from the ground. I
> don't know about the spores being eaten and then distributed in feces,
> although I have heard that before. Either theory seems reasonable to me,
> and both probably happen regulary.
>
> I am by no means an expert, but I have been picking shrooms in Florida
> since 1979. I have seen cubes growing directly from the ground with no
> evidence of manure or compost to be seen, but keep in mind these pastures
> have had cattle shitting in them for many, many years and the ground
itself
> is very fertile. But the far more likely scenario is a nice flush seen
> growing directly from the poo, which is never fresh.
>
> A fully 'composted' turd (which is the kind shrooms tend to adopt) is much
> like a brick of dense peat moss, very dry and as light as styrofoam and is
> actually quite clean. Not the gross fresh pile everyone imagines. Before
I
> learned to "respect the field", I actually harvested a few chunks of
> colonized dung to see what use I could find for it at home. If you pick
up
> a nicely composted cow patty, you are likely to see the bottom 2/3
> colonized by our friend the pure white mycelium of P.Cubensis. Had I known
> then a fraction of what I know now, I might have at least attempted to
grow
> these out. But I was such a lazt stoner then;) But, yes, Nature's lab is
> far superior, so much more balanced & efficient than anything we can come
> up with.
>
> I have friends ask, when told of all the sterile requirements of home
> cultivaton, "how do these things ever grow in the wild? In shit, no less!"
> To which I can only answer, "Hey! Don't look a gift cow in the ass!"
>
> Ben
>
> captainmaxmushroom@sporelab.com wrote in
> news:gbslfvkphb42tji7h0vnb6qtu3ko52hv1r@4ax.com:
>
> > Ya, you are wrong. Spores and seeds of millions of plants are routinly
> > distrubitued by being eaten in one spot and then pooped out in
> > another. Thats how nature does it! Many plants rely on this way of
> > spore and seed distribution.
> >
> > And nature will grow shrooms much eaiser outdoors than you will
> > indoors anyday. A fruit fly may cause a problem in a lab because it
> > doesn't belong there but not in nature it's part of the cycle. And I
> > doubt a fruit fly would bother a mushroom anyways, at least in nature.
> > There is no sugar in a mushroom, a fruit fly would not be attracted to
> > it. But maybe if one got trapped in your indoor terrarium it would be
> > a different story esp. if you are using a honey tek or what not.
> >
> > If you have ever worked with compost, you will know that an entire
> > tray can be colonized in just a few days. I'm not saying that the cow
> > takes a dump and the next day there are mushrooms, maybe it takes a
> > few weeks but this is a common way for them to spread.
> >
> > The mushroom is NOT growing from the ground up through the several
> > inches of manure. Of this i'm sure.
> >
> >
> > www.sporelab.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:34:28 GMT, "Harry" <harry725@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I'm far from an expert but I do tend to look to common sense a bit. I
> >>can be wrong, it has happened before and may be happening right now
> >>but... In clinical situations, sterile rooms with perfect conditions
> >>and the best substrate it still takes much, much longer for mycelium
> >>to grow into a mushroom then a few nights. It's highly unlikely that a
> >>fresh cow turd is anything more than a casing layer or perhaps a
> >>nutrient blast in conjunction with a temperature & humidity blast. I
> >>clearly don't "know" anything about anything if you are following my
> >>posts, but it seems that if we can't do it in a lab, nature probably
> >>can't do it twice as fast in a non-sterile field. One fruit fly is
> >>enough to ruin a crop unless the crop is growing from under the
> >>somewhat protected covering of dried crap!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I have never been hunting and I have only the knowledge I have read
> >>about naturally occurring shrooms but it seems that shrooms are
> >>usually found on "not so fresh" or completely decomposed piles of
> >>dung. I would love to see the research that demonstrates that North
> >>America has Bulls to thank for shrooms. I mean what's more likely, a
> >>spore can endure the multi stomach system of the bovine or that a guy
> >>found a shroom growing in a cow turd and made an assumption??? Spores
> >>like all other microscopic "seeds" can travel around the world on the
> >>wind. Just look into the flu bug. It is a year round job to track the
> >>strains of the flu bug so we get the best guess at the correct flu
> >>shot in our area each year.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This can be wrong, as I say I don't have first hand experience and I
> >>never underestimate my power to be an idiot but what are the chances?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Just a little drunk and venting, thanks for your time ;-)
> >>

[Harry]

I'm doing my best to stay out of this but I find it difficult to not share
my opinion. Capt. Max you tell your story with much conviction and I'm sure
you believe it is true, but I still think there are holes in your theory.
Our ancestors thought the Earth was flat, the sun revolved around us & that
if we drank the blood of our enemy we would get stronger. We even had
scientists telling us that maggots were a by-product of rotting meat a very
short time ago. All theories that in the end proved to be not true, but
totally believed in their time.

Where can one find the facts? Not that it really matters to me but I love a
good debate and I really love learning!!! Please don't take offense to my
post anyone, just a lively discussion.



"Stephen L. Peele" <FloridaMycology@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7a52fb59.0306262001.595579f5@posting.google.c om...
> It appears I need to step in here. The spores are on the grass. The cow,
> or horse, lays the poop. The grass and manure make a real rich compost.
This
> is where the spore germinates and mycelium growth is accomplished. As the
manure
> composts, and rain gets it wet, the mycelium grows up into the composted
manure.
> This is not as rich as the grass compost, and the mycelium is shocked into
thinking
> it's food source is running out. This is the purpose of a casing. The
casing is
> not as rich as the growing substrate, and the mycelium is shocked into
thinking
> it's food source is out, and the mycelium in this area produces mushrooms.
The
> vermiculite has no nutrients, thus shocking the mycelium into thinking it
is out
> of brown rice flour, or whatever the growing substrate that is being used.
slp/fmrc

[Stephen L. Peele]

Fruit Flies......You must not collect mushrooms in the wild. I have found
fruit fly larvae many times in wild mushrooms. Tunnels all through the stalk
and stem. Agaricus campestris is one of their favorites. slp/fmrc

[Harry]

It only took one and my sloth lost the entire crop... a bulk substrate
experiment with all her eggs in one basket. But sloth's are pretty dumb. And
in reading the reply post apparently so am I. I should learn to keep my big
mouth shut.

;-)

"Stephen L. Peele" <FloridaMycology@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7a52fb59.0306271935.4bd817a5@posting.google.c om...
> Fruit Flies......You must not collect mushrooms in the wild. I have found
> fruit fly larvae many times in wild mushrooms. Tunnels all through the
stalk
> and stem. Agaricus campestris is one of their favorites. slp/fmrc

[justshug.com]

you heard good!!

Kiamors wrote:

> I heard that the cubes' spores fall on the grass in the pasture, and
> the grass is eaten and digested by the animal, and the spores that
> survive are deposited out of the cow in the manure. the manure
> contains moisture and nutrients for the mycelium. they then form a
> mycelium network inside the manure and when they finally reach the
> edge of the patty, then they fruit. and this causes the mushrooms.
>
> at least, thats what i've heard