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rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Sigh. I just got of the telephone with a coroner's office in Ohio
following up a lead about an 18 year old male who was said to have died
of an overdose that involved DXM and antihistamines. Coroner's reports
are public record in Ohio. They didn't want to give all the specifics
over the telephone, and instead told me that I would have to snail mail
them requesting a copy of the report. The fact that they knew from what
I told them that I was going to publicly report this death to the world
on a website likely made them want me just to get the official report,
rather than give an incomplete summary over the phone that could be
misinterpreted. However, they did confirm this is was a drug abuse death
involving dextromethorphan, and there were other drugs involved. As this
is exactly what my source who supplied the decedent's name, date of
death, place of death, etc. said it would be, likely the other details
he provided surrounding the death are true.

I intend to obtain a copy of that coroner's report. From what my
source stated, who is a friend of the family, the deceased's mother said
she was told her son's death was from an overdose of DXM +
antihistamines. According to my source, the deceased had mentioned
abusing anticholinergics on 2 occasions shortly before his death. One
time using Benadryl (diphenhydramine), and one time using Dramamine
(dimenhydrinate.) My source and the mother together searched the
deceased DXMer's room the day after he died. Found were a couple empty
boxes of Dramamine, one of Benadryl, a 236 ml bottle of a Robitussin
Maximum Strength cough syrup (3 mg/ml DXM), and a 236 ml generic of
Robitussin DM (2 mg/ml DXM, plus guaifenesin.) My source's best guess is
that the one box of Benadryl found, and one of the boxes of Dramamine,
were leftover trash from days before of the 2 uses his friend told him
about. And that the 236 ml bottle of Robitussin DM generic was from an
old use, because it was shoved in a drawer, while the 236 ml bottle of
Robitussin Maximum Strength cough syrup was out in the open.

Thus, my preliminary guess is this death was from 708 mg of DXM (236
ml of Robitussin Max Cough), and a box of a dozen Dramamine. My source
estimated the weight of the deceased at around 70 kg. That much DXM
alone wouldn't be likely be fatal. However, toss in anticholinergics,
and death is hardly surprising. Ironically the deceased was reported as
lecturing a younger kid he spotted buying Coricidin of the dangers, and
warning him not to use it. He may not have realized that abusing
Dramamine with DXM is at least as dangerous, and probably more so, than
taking Coricidin.

Please note that at this point, the only thing that I have confirmed
is that this is a drug abuse death involving DXM. It is possible that
the official coroner's report will indicate more than I suspect at this
point. My inclination at this moment is that I won't publicly disclose
his full real name on the Internet. The family in the paid death notice
had his death stated as being from natural causes. The coroner says
otherwise. If I put this dead teenager's name on my website, this would
seem likely to do little more than cause embarrassment to the surviving
family, because everyone who searches for what he died of will know it
was really a drug overdose. As such, it seems reasonable to withhold
identifying specifics in the interest of sensitivity to the surviving
family.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

michael
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f41504a$0$166$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> Sigh. I just got of the telephone with a coroner's office in Ohio
> following up a lead about an 18 year old male who was said to have died
> of an overdose that involved DXM and antihistamines. Coroner's reports
> are public record in Ohio. They didn't want to give all the specifics
> over the telephone, and instead told me that I would have to snail mail
> them requesting a copy of the report. The fact that they knew from what
> I told them that I was going to publicly report this death to the world
> on a website likely made them want me just to get the official report,
> rather than give an incomplete summary over the phone that could be
> misinterpreted. However, they did confirm this is was a drug abuse death
> involving dextromethorphan, and there were other drugs involved. As this
> is exactly what my source who supplied the decedent's name, date of
> death, place of death, etc. said it would be, likely the other details
> he provided surrounding the death are true.
>
> I intend to obtain a copy of that coroner's report. From what my
> source stated, who is a friend of the family, the deceased's mother said
> she was told her son's death was from an overdose of DXM +
> antihistamines. According to my source, the deceased had mentioned
> abusing anticholinergics on 2 occasions shortly before his death. One
> time using Benadryl (diphenhydramine), and one time using Dramamine
> (dimenhydrinate.) My source and the mother together searched the
> deceased DXMer's room the day after he died. Found were a couple empty
> boxes of Dramamine, one of Benadryl, a 236 ml bottle of a Robitussin
> Maximum Strength cough syrup (3 mg/ml DXM), and a 236 ml generic of
> Robitussin DM (2 mg/ml DXM, plus guaifenesin.) My source's best guess is
> that the one box of Benadryl found, and one of the boxes of Dramamine,
> were leftover trash from days before of the 2 uses his friend told him
> about. And that the 236 ml bottle of Robitussin DM generic was from an
> old use, because it was shoved in a drawer, while the 236 ml bottle of
> Robitussin Maximum Strength cough syrup was out in the open.
>
> Thus, my preliminary guess is this death was from 708 mg of DXM (236
> ml of Robitussin Max Cough), and a box of a dozen Dramamine. My source
> estimated the weight of the deceased at around 70 kg. That much DXM
> alone wouldn't be likely be fatal. However, toss in anticholinergics,
> and death is hardly surprising. Ironically the deceased was reported as
> lecturing a younger kid he spotted buying Coricidin of the dangers, and
> warning him not to use it. He may not have realized that abusing
> Dramamine with DXM is at least as dangerous, and probably more so, than
> taking Coricidin.
>
> Please note that at this point, the only thing that I have confirmed
> is that this is a drug abuse death involving DXM. It is possible that
> the official coroner's report will indicate more than I suspect at this
> point. My inclination at this moment is that I won't publicly disclose
> his full real name on the Internet. The family in the paid death notice
> had his death stated as being from natural causes. The coroner says
> otherwise. If I put this dead teenager's name on my website, this would
> seem likely to do little more than cause embarrassment to the surviving
> family, because everyone who searches for what he died of will know it
> was really a drug overdose. As such, it seems reasonable to withhold
> identifying specifics in the interest of sensitivity to the surviving
> family.

You need to realize that there have been a lot of DXM related deaths.
The biggest issue to this community is LSD availability.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski wrote:
> michael wrote:

>> The biggest issue to this community is LSD availability.
>
> That may be a concern of yours. There are many who barely care
> about LSD availability. Including many non-DXMers. Shrooms can still
> be grown, mescaline extracted from cacti, DMT from various plants,
> etc.

That LSD is largely unavailable, possibly forever, wouldn't have been
seen as a major loss by those who thought it was a lame psychedelic:

"I hope this doesn't insult current LSD fans, but the last time I did
it, it seemed like a Sopwith camel or something. We were airborne, and
below us were the green fields of France, but you could hear the air
shrieking over the control surfaces and feel the wind blasting your
face. What I had become used to was the cockpit of the space shuttle.
Yes, LSD is a psychedelic drug. But it's a psychedelic drug in the same
way a fruit fly can fly."

- Terence McKenna

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
amarcus wrote:
>> From: "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> Sigh. I just got of the telephone with a coroner's office in Ohio
>> following up a lead about an 18 year old male who was said to have
>> died of an overdose that involved DXM and antihistamines...
>
> I'm lazy, I should go read your website for the answer to my question
> but I'll do that later when my mind is clear. But maybe in just a few
> words Robert you could tell me what do you think of DXM really? Does
> your research so far confirm that it's a safe psychoactive substance?
> Because honestly it's one of my preferred drugs and I'd hate to see
> that it's taken off the market because of death reports (even though
> you clearly state that the death is due not directly to DXM abuse but
> to mixing with other substances). We all remember the sad story of
> tryptophane, when the FDA banned it because it caused some deaths due
> to contaminations in the manifacturing procedure (the narrow-minded
> couldn't differentiate between death due to contaminants and the
> aminoacid itself, so their general verdict was: ban tryptophan for
> it's bad).

By itself, statistically DXM is quite safe. I've yet to be able to
document even a single death in the US where the person died from taking
only some over the counter preparation that just contained DXM. They all
involved taking combination products with other drugs added that made
them dangerous (such as Coricidin), or in this case apparently taking an
overdose of antihistamine pills along with DXM only cough syrup. It
could be argued that the abuse of anticholinergics was solely
responsible here, and the DXM incidental. Taking a big handful of
Tylenol or aspirin with just the recommended dose of Robitussin cough
syrup can be fatal. However, this isn't a good argument to bad
Robitussin that a teaspoon of it, along with 100 Tylenol, can kill.

Thus, I doubt this case will have any bearing on any possible
attempts to shedule DXM. In this case, the local newspapers didn't even
see this story as newsworthy. None of them covered it at all, even
though the official ruling of the coroner was it was a drug abuse
overdose death. I'm the only reporter covering this.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Magnus_Grey wrote:
>> You need to realize that there have been a lot of DXM related deaths.
>> The biggest issue to this community is LSD availability.
>
> You are one of the biggest idiots I have ever met online. No one cares
> that you can't get LSD, and what is the board going to do about it
> anyway. Thanks again RFG for resarching this unpleasant event. I know
> its not fun.

His stupidity is astounding. As if posts by people moaning they can't
score LSD is what this NG needs???
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
michael wrote:
> bryan_dickerson@hotmail.com (Magnus_Grey) wrote in message
> news:<b9a896a6.0308191037.59700cdb@posting.google.com>...

>> You are one of the biggest idiots I have ever met online.
>
> I guess it depends which part of the community you are in.

So you are just the biggest idiot in alt.drugs.*, but there are other
subheirarchies where people even stupider than you post?
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

Magnus_Grey
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f43fd7e$0$160$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> michael wrote:
> > bryan_dickerson@hotmail.com (Magnus_Grey) wrote in message
> > news:<b9a896a6.0308191037.59700cdb@posting.google.com>...
>
> >> You are one of the biggest idiots I have ever met online.
> >
> > I guess it depends which part of the community you are in.
>
> So you are just the biggest idiot in alt.drugs.*, but there are other
> subheirarchies where people even stupider than you post?

alt.victims.coma

alt.downsyndrome

alt.lobotomy.med

-:p
-Bryan

glog
09-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Once upon a timeless moment,
Magnus_Grey <bryan_dickerson@hotmail.com> hallucinated:

> No one cares that you can't get LSD

Speak for you self, dipshit. LSD is 100% on topic for this NG.