LSD News: LSD abuser allegedly rapes and murders 11 year old girl.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things can
happen when people take lots of LSD.

http://www.mapinc.org/propaganda/prohibprop/html/theme_2/e285.htm

A macho challenge between a young man and his friends about who could
take the most LSD led to the death of an 11-year-old Port Alberni girl,
the man's defence lawyer told his trial on Monday.

Roderick Jonathan Patten is facing a charge of first-degree murder in
the July 31, 1996, death of Jessica States, a youngster known around
town because she was always hanging out at a baseball park near her
home. Patten, now 23, is pleading innocent to the charge.

Evidence against Patten includes DNA matches between his blood and semen
taken from Jessica's body and a video-taped interview in which Patten
admits to killing the little girl, Crown counsel David Kidd told the
jury in B.C. Supreme Court in Victoria.

But Patten's lawyer, Jim Heller said Jessica's death wasn't murder.

Heller said his client had consumed too much alcohol, marijuana and LSD
to form the clear intent to actually kill the little girl. Instead the
charge should be manslaughter, he argued.

[marques de sade]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:31:02 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

> Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things can
>happen when people take lots of LSD.

nasty things can happen when people take lots of alcohol, too, and that's legal.

>
>http://www.mapinc.org/propaganda/prohibprop/html/theme_2/e285.htm
>
>A macho challenge between a young man and his friends about who could
>take the most LSD led to the death of an 11-year-old Port Alberni girl,
>the man's defence lawyer told his trial on Monday.
>
>Roderick Jonathan Patten is facing a charge of first-degree murder in
>the July 31, 1996, death of Jessica States, a youngster known around
>town because she was always hanging out at a baseball park near her
>home. Patten, now 23, is pleading innocent to the charge.
>
>Evidence against Patten includes DNA matches between his blood and semen
>taken from Jessica's body and a video-taped interview in which Patten
>admits to killing the little girl, Crown counsel David Kidd told the
>jury in B.C. Supreme Court in Victoria.
>
>But Patten's lawyer, Jim Heller said Jessica's death wasn't murder.
>
>Heller said his client had consumed too much alcohol, marijuana and LSD
>to form the clear intent to actually kill the little girl. Instead the
>charge should be manslaughter, he argued.
>
>


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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:31:02 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things
>> can
>> happen when people take lots of LSD.
>
> nasty things can happen when people take lots of alcohol, too, and
> that's legal.

They tried outlawing alcohol in the US in the first half of the 20th
century for exactly that reason. Alcoholism, and bad things associated
with alcohol abuse, dropped dramatically. Unfortunately, organized crime
became powerful because of Prohibition. The idea didn't work as well as
they hoped. Of course, prohibition of heroin, cocaine, etc. has had the
same problems.
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[marques de sade]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:02:31 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:31:02 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things
>>> can
>>> happen when people take lots of LSD.
>>
>> nasty things can happen when people take lots of alcohol, too, and
>> that's legal.
>
> They tried outlawing alcohol in the US in the first half of the 20th
>century for exactly that reason. Alcoholism, and bad things associated
>with alcohol abuse, dropped dramatically. Unfortunately, organized crime
>became powerful because of Prohibition. The idea didn't work as well as
>they hoped. Of course, prohibition of heroin, cocaine, etc. has had the
>same problems.

which means it's only a matter of time before all drugs become legal.

>--
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>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:02:31 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>> They tried outlawing alcohol in the US in the first half of the
>> 20th century for exactly that reason. Alcoholism, and bad things
>> associated with alcohol abuse, dropped dramatically. Unfortunately,
>> organized crime became powerful because of Prohibition. The idea
>> didn't work as well as they hoped. Of course, prohibition of heroin,
>> cocaine, etc. has had the same problems.
>
> which means it's only a matter of time before all drugs become legal.

Don't hold your breath for that to happen.
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[marques de sade]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:12:00 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:02:31 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> They tried outlawing alcohol in the US in the first half of the
>>> 20th century for exactly that reason. Alcoholism, and bad things
>>> associated with alcohol abuse, dropped dramatically. Unfortunately,
>>> organized crime became powerful because of Prohibition. The idea
>>> didn't work as well as they hoped. Of course, prohibition of heroin,
>>> cocaine, etc. has had the same problems.
>>
>> which means it's only a matter of time before all drugs become legal.
>
> Don't hold your breath for that to happen.

then it's only a matter of time before alcohol becomes illegal--again.

>--
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>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


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octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)

``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[Ernesto]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f3d8950$0$167$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things can
> happen when people take lots of LSD.
***
> But Patten's lawyer, Jim Heller said Jessica's death wasn't murder.
>
> Heller said his client had consumed too much alcohol, marijuana and LSD
> to form the clear intent to actually kill the little girl. Instead the
> charge should be manslaughter, he argued.

There are no facts here from which to deduce anything. Countless
doses of LSD have been consumed, and this is the first time I've heard
of sexual homicide being the result. Not that it couldn't happen, but
I'm far from convinced that it did.

[Reach The Sky]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> a écrit
dans le message de
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> Ernesto wrote:
> > "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> > wrote in message
> > news:<3f3d8950$0$167$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> >> Wasn't aware of this until today when I found this. Nasty things can
> >> happen when people take lots of LSD.
> > ***
> >> But Patten's lawyer, Jim Heller said Jessica's death wasn't murder.
> >>
> >> Heller said his client had consumed too much alcohol, marijuana and
> >> LSD
> >> to form the clear intent to actually kill the little girl. Instead
> >> the
> >> charge should be manslaughter, he argued.
> >
> > There are no facts here from which to deduce anything. Countless
> > doses of LSD have been consumed, and this is the first time I've heard
> > of sexual homicide being the result. Not that it couldn't happen, but
> > I'm far from convinced that it did.
>
> There seems little doubt. The guy admitted the rape and murder, and
> was trying to blame the LSD to get convicted of a lesser charge.
> --

That's just cowardice, i guess he never heard about taking responsabilities
for your acts...if you feel like killing someone on LSD you're a fucktard to
being with.



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>

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Reach The Sky wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3f3eb570$0$169$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...

>> There seems little doubt. The guy admitted the rape and murder,
>> and was trying to blame the LSD to get convicted of a lesser charge.
>
> That's just cowardice, i guess he never heard about taking
> responsabilities for your acts...if you feel like killing someone on
> LSD you're a fucktard to being with.

And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.
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[Reach The Sky]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> a écrit
dans le message de
news:3f3f837e$0$170$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...
> Reach The Sky wrote:
> > "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> > a écrit dans le message de
> > news:3f3eb570$0$169$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...
>
> >> There seems little doubt. The guy admitted the rape and murder,
> >> and was trying to blame the LSD to get convicted of a lesser charge.
> >
> > That's just cowardice, i guess he never heard about taking
> > responsabilities for your acts...if you feel like killing someone on
> > LSD you're a fucktard to being with.
>
> And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
> fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.
> --

And what about the majority of the people who take drugs and are sane ?





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>

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Reach The Sky wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3f3f837e$0$170$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...

>> And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
>> fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.
>
> And what about the majority of the people who take drugs and are sane
> ?

It is the "insane" users that end up raping and murdering people on
LSD that makes the politicians want to keep it illegal. The idea is to
try and keep LSD out of the hands of the Charles Manson's of the world.
Sure, those people are a very small percent of total users. However, a
worrisome very small percent.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Reach The Sky wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> a écrit dans le message de
> news:3f3fa603$0$170$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...

>> It is the "insane" users that end up raping and murdering people
>> on LSD that makes the politicians want to keep it illegal. The idea
>> is to try and keep LSD out of the hands of the Charles Manson's of
>> the world. Sure, those people are a very small percent of total
>> users. However, a worrisome very small percent.
>
> Finally you've come up with some decent reasoning, but politicians
> want to keep LSD illegal for other reasons. They don't want people to
> realize that their world and society is a mouse trap for the mind and
> they don't want civilians to overthrow their bullshit.

Baloney. The politicians want to keep LSD illegal for the same reason
they keep heroin and cocaine illegal: because they think all drugs are
bad. The politicians actually believe LSD turns people into psycho
killers.
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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:45 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>Reach The Sky wrote:
>> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
>> a écrit dans le message de
>> news:3f3eb570$0$169$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...
>
>>> There seems little doubt. The guy admitted the rape and murder,
>>> and was trying to blame the LSD to get convicted of a lesser charge.
>>
>> That's just cowardice, i guess he never heard about taking
>> responsabilities for your acts...if you feel like killing someone on
>> LSD you're a fucktard to being with.
>
> And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
>fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.

there you go, the drug didn't turn him into a fucktard, he was a fucktard before
he took the drug. no drug will make anyone do anything that they wouldn't do off
the drug. also, if i recall the article mentions he also took alcohol, which is
known to bring out violent tendencies in violent individuals, so more than
likely alcohol is the drug that made him violent, not the LSD.
by the way, anyone knows where this guy got the LSD?

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>
>


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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:24:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>Reach The Sky wrote:
>> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
>> a écrit dans le message de
>> news:3f3fa603$0$170$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...
>
>>> It is the "insane" users that end up raping and murdering people
>>> on LSD that makes the politicians want to keep it illegal. The idea
>>> is to try and keep LSD out of the hands of the Charles Manson's of
>>> the world. Sure, those people are a very small percent of total
>>> users. However, a worrisome very small percent.
>>
>> Finally you've come up with some decent reasoning, but politicians
>> want to keep LSD illegal for other reasons. They don't want people to
>> realize that their world and society is a mouse trap for the mind and
>> they don't want civilians to overthrow their bullshit.
>
> Baloney. The politicians want to keep LSD illegal for the same reason
>they keep heroin and cocaine illegal: because they think all drugs are
>bad. The politicians actually believe LSD turns people into psycho
>killers.

and alcohol doesn't?

>--
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>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


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octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)

``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:24:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>> Baloney. The politicians want to keep LSD illegal for the same
>> reason they keep heroin and cocaine illegal: because they think all
>> drugs are bad. The politicians actually believe LSD turns people
>> into psycho killers.
>
> and alcohol doesn't?

In the US, they tried to outlaw alcohol for just that reason. They
only threw in the towel because of all the violence by bootlegger gangs
Prohibition created. Since violence amongst LSD traffickers isn't really
a concern, prohibition works with LSD. At the moment in the US, the
scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the War on
Drugs.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:45 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>> And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
>> fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.
>
> there you go, the drug didn't turn him into a fucktard, he was a
> fucktard before he took the drug. no drug will make anyone do
> anything that they wouldn't do off the drug. also, if i recall the
> article mentions he also took alcohol, which is known to bring out
> violent tendencies in violent individuals, so more than likely
> alcohol is the drug that made him violent, not the LSD.
> by the way, anyone knows where this guy got the LSD?

LSD brought out the violent tendencies of the Manson family then. No
way you can pin this just on the alcohol.
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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:24:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Baloney. The politicians want to keep LSD illegal for the same
>>> reason they keep heroin and cocaine illegal: because they think all
>>> drugs are bad. The politicians actually believe LSD turns people
>>> into psycho killers.
>>
>> and alcohol doesn't?
>
> In the US, they tried to outlaw alcohol for just that reason. They
>only threw in the towel because of all the violence by bootlegger gangs
>Prohibition created. Since violence amongst LSD traffickers isn't really
>a concern, prohibition works with LSD. At the moment in the US, the
>scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the War on
>Drugs.

that supports my view that LSD does not lead to violence. thanks....

what do you have to say about the cocaine and heroin cartels...
plenty of violence, there, right? by your logic, they should be made legal.

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octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)

``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:06:46 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>
>> that is right. LSD opens people's minds to the bullshit consumer
>> world around them and that is not good for the mac donalds and the
>> coca cola's people....
>
> Yeah. Like none of the people who used LSD eat hamburgers and drink
>colas???

maybe just the fucktard types... those can't be helped with any drug...

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octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)

``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:00:55 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:30:45 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> And what makes you think that people who take LSD commonly aren't
>>> fucktards? The fucktard type is known to abuse drugs.
>>
>> there you go, the drug didn't turn him into a fucktard, he was a
>> fucktard before he took the drug. no drug will make anyone do
>> anything that they wouldn't do off the drug. also, if i recall the
>> article mentions he also took alcohol, which is known to bring out
>> violent tendencies in violent individuals, so more than likely
>> alcohol is the drug that made him violent, not the LSD.
>> by the way, anyone knows where this guy got the LSD?
>
> LSD brought out the violent tendencies of the Manson family then. No
>way you can pin this just on the alcohol.

i thought it was satanic ritual acitivity.... i dont' really know much about
the manson family, but that's a really rare case... most acid users are laid
back hippie types who sell flowers and play acoustic guitar at street corners...

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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>At the moment in the US, the
>scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the War on
>Drugs.

it's got nothing to do with the war on drugs, there just isn't a market for it.
most people simply don't like the stuff or may do a hit or two every few months,
that's not gonna feed any dealer... they go for the stuff that makes them fast
cash such as ecstasy or heroin...

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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:35:38 GMT, jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade)
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
><rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>>At the moment in the US, the
>>scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the War on
>>Drugs.
>
>it's got nothing to do with the war on drugs, there just isn't a market for it.
>most people simply don't like the stuff or may do a hit or two every few months,
>that's not gonna feed any dealer... they go for the stuff that makes them fast
>cash such as ecstasy or heroin...

it would require someone who's not doing it for the money but for the purpose of
helping mankind. i guess there aren't any people like that left. it's a dog
eat dog world out there... notice how when jerry garcia died, the acid
disappeared, maybe he was the one making it all...

>
>--
>
>octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)
>
>``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)


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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>> In the US, they tried to outlaw alcohol for just that reason. They
>> only threw in the towel because of all the violence by bootlegger
>> gangs Prohibition created. Since violence amongst LSD traffickers
>> isn't really a concern, prohibition works with LSD. At the moment in
>> the US, the scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few
>> successes of the War on Drugs.
>
> that supports my view that LSD does not lead to violence. thanks....

No, it doesn't. The issue is whether *use* of LSD causes people to
become violent. This may very well be the case. This is independent of
whether or not LSD dealers engage in violence. Main reason why there
hasn't been much violence amongst dealers is that LSD never was that
popular of a drug, and people only use it occasionally. This isn't a
market worth risking your life for in a turf war.

> what do you have to say about the cocaine and heroin cartels...
> plenty of violence, there, right? by your logic, they should be made
> legal.

You are assuming that politicians are logical. Also, the number of
users of cocaine and H is far less than alcohol. Thus, because of the
much bigger alcohol market demand, Prohibition caused a lot more
violence.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:

>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>>> At the moment in the US, the
>>> scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the
>>> War on
>>> Drugs.
>>
>> it's got nothing to do with the war on drugs, there just isn't a
>> market for it.
>> most people simply don't like the stuff or may do a hit or two every
>> few months,
>> that's not gonna feed any dealer... they go for the stuff that
>> makes them fast
>> cash such as ecstasy or heroin...
>
> it would require someone who's not doing it for the money but for the
> purpose of
> helping mankind. i guess there aren't any people like that left.
> it's a dog
> eat dog world out there... notice how when jerry garcia died, the
> acid
> disappeared, maybe he was the one making it all...

This theory of yours actually makes some sense. There is evidence
that in the past many LSD producers thought that producing it would make
the world better. It is possible today that there aren't many people
like that left. Or, it may be that today possible LSD producers just
think idealistic producers from years gone by were deluded and fools.
LSD didn't make the world better. It just got some people high.
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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> At the moment in the US, the
>>> scarcity of LSD on the streets is one of the few successes of the
>>> War on Drugs.
>>
>> it's got nothing to do with the war on drugs, there just isn't a
>> market for it. most people simply don't like the stuff or may do a
>> hit or two every few months, that's not gonna feed any dealer...
>> they go for the stuff that makes them fast cash such as ecstasy or
>> heroin...
>
> Then why back in the 1960s and 1970s were dope producers making and
>selling LSD, rather than all trafficking in heroin?

because those were the flower generation days of idealism and stuff and easy
rider and all that... plus i think LSD was actually legal in the 60's....

>You may have a point
>that Ecstasy is an alternative commodity for LSD. People who would buy
>LSD will accept Ecstasy as a substitute. If so, then the Ecstasy seen
>destroyed the LSD scene. Another factor is demographics. LSD users
>always have skewed young. There were a lot more potential consumers back
>in the baby boom era than today's baby bust era.

i think today's youth are just more brainwashed because they're bombarded with
propaganda from all fronts... at school, at church, every five minutes another
commercial linking drugs and terrorism and stuff... kids are susceptible to all
that junk, they don't have the ability to discern the bullshit from the real...
they don't have any alternative sources of information, even the internet is not
really available to them because of parental controls and similar censorship at
schools and libraries... it would take a really cool kid who can get around all
that to find out the truth about the war on drugs and the corporate media lies.

>--
>http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:36:43 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:57:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Then why back in the 1960s and 1970s were dope producers making and
>>> selling LSD, rather than all trafficking in heroin?
>>
>> because those were the flower generation days of idealism and stuff
>> and easy rider and all that... plus i think LSD was actually legal
>> in the 60's....
>
> LSD was made illegal federally in 1967. There was only a brief period
>where LSD was sold on the streets and legal. By the time most people
>heard of LSD, it was a highly illegal narcotic.
>
>>> You may have a point
>>> that Ecstasy is an alternative commodity for LSD. People who would
>>> buy
>>> LSD will accept Ecstasy as a substitute. If so, then the Ecstasy seen
>>> destroyed the LSD scene. Another factor is demographics. LSD users
>>> always have skewed young. There were a lot more potential consumers
>>> back
>>> in the baby boom era than today's baby bust era.
>>
>> i think today's youth are just more brainwashed because they're
>> bombarded with propaganda from all fronts... at school, at church,
>> every five minutes another commercial linking drugs and terrorism and
>> stuff... kids are susceptible to all that junk, they don't have the
>> ability to discern the bullshit from the real... they don't have any
>> alternative sources of information, even the internet is not really
>> available to them because of parental controls and similar censorship
>> at schools and libraries... it would take a really cool kid who can
>> get around all that to find out the truth about the war on drugs and
>> the corporate media lies.
>
> Plenty of kids smoke pot, use Ecstasy, etc.

you lost me. so then there should be plenty of potential lsd costumers...

>nd, anti-drug propaganda
>isn't knew. When I was a kid in school around 1970 a cop came in
>lecturing about drugs. I remember he even told the old urban legend
>about the babysitter baking the baby instead of the turkey. Even back
>then anti-drug propaganda had little regard for accuracy.

i'm talking about the amount of propaganda. they didn't have cable back then
with 90 channels with all of them having anti-drug ads every five minutes...

i have a question about that, what's the point of the commercials? the stuff is
already illegal, are they trying to make the stuff more illegal? isn't it
obvious that if it's illegal, that it means you shouldn't do them?

why not just say, ok kids, you know drugs are illegal, so just obey the law...
why do they make it sound like it's an option to break the law, but that it's up
to the kid if he wants to break it or not, but they're just asking please dont'
break the law? like saying, you don't have to obey the law, but we're asking
nicely so could you please consider not breaking the law?? think about it and
let us know what you decided, ok? we'll love you either way...

>--
>http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


--

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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:36:43 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>>> i think today's youth are just more brainwashed because they're
>>> bombarded with propaganda from all fronts... at school, at church,
>>> every five minutes another commercial linking drugs and terrorism
>>> and stuff... kids are susceptible to all that junk, they don't
>>> have the
>>> ability to discern the bullshit from the real... they don't have any
>>> alternative sources of information, even the internet is not really
>>> available to them because of parental controls and similar
>>> censorship
>>> at schools and libraries... it would take a really cool kid who can
>>> get around all that to find out the truth about the war on drugs and
>>> the corporate media lies.
>>
>> Plenty of kids smoke pot, use Ecstasy, etc.
>
> you lost me. so then there should be plenty of potential lsd
> costumers...

I was disputing your "i think today's youth are just more brainwashed
because they're bombarded with propaganda from all fronts." If they were
brainwashed, they wouldn'y smoke pot and use Ecstasy. As for LSD, they
might not want it for reasons other than the propaganda. Perhaps taste
in drugs have changed such that LSD is disfavored. Who ever had a bad
trip on MDMA?

>> nd, anti-drug propaganda
>> isn't knew. When I was a kid in school around 1970 a cop came in
>> lecturing about drugs. I remember he even told the old urban legend
>> about the babysitter baking the baby instead of the turkey. Even back
>> then anti-drug propaganda had little regard for accuracy.
>
> i'm talking about the amount of propaganda. they didn't have cable
> back then with 90 channels with all of them having anti-drug ads
> every five minutes...

The TV had less channels back then, but we watched those channels a
LOT back then. Anti-drug TV spots aren't new.

> i have a question about that, what's the point of the commercials?
> the stuff is already illegal, are they trying to make the stuff more
> illegal? isn't it obvious that if it's illegal, that it means you
> shouldn't do them?
>
> why not just say, ok kids, you know drugs are illegal, so just obey
> the law... why do they make it sound like it's an option to break the
> law, but that it's up to the kid if he wants to break it or not, but
> they're just asking please dont' break the law? like saying, you
> don't have to obey the law, but we're asking nicely so could you
> please consider not breaking the law?? think about it and let us
> know what you decided, ok? we'll love you either way...

The message is not only is this the law, but to also try and convince
people laws against drugs are a good thing because drugs are so
dangerous.
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[marques de sade]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:46:23 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
> The message is not only is this the law, but to also try and convince
>people laws against drugs are a good thing because drugs are so
>dangerous.

in other words, some laws are not good, but these ones are....
you never see commercials telling kids not to drink alcohol so i guess the law
that you have to be 21 is a bad law... kids should go ahead and drink away....

>--
>http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
>For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
>
>


--

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[Acid Pooh]

jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote in message news:<3f3ff2e9.68304438@news.znet.com>...

> i thought it was satanic ritual acitivity.... i dont' really know much about
> the manson family, but that's a really rare case... most acid users are laid
> back hippie types who sell flowers and play acoustic guitar at street corners...
>


Dude, your ignorance is showing.

How can you say "most" acid users are laid back hippies? Have you met
"most" acid users? I'll bet that for every one you've met, there are
a thousand who don't meet your stereotype.

'cid 'ooh

[marques de sade]

On 18 Aug 2003 00:34:45 -0700, poohonlsd@yahoo.com (Acid Pooh) wrote:

>jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote in message news:<3f3ff2e9.68304438@news.znet.com>...
>
>> i thought it was satanic ritual acitivity.... i dont' really know much about
>> the manson family, but that's a really rare case... most acid users are laid
>> back hippie types who sell flowers and play acoustic guitar at street corners...
>>
>
>
>Dude, your ignorance is showing.
>
>How can you say "most" acid users are laid back hippies? Have you met
>"most" acid users? I'll bet that for every one you've met, there are
>a thousand who don't meet your stereotype.

i don't think so. i bet the fucktards are a small percentage.

>
>'cid 'ooh


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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:46:23 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>> The message is not only is this the law, but to also try and
>> convince people laws against drugs are a good thing because drugs
>> are so
>> dangerous.
>
> in other words, some laws are not good, but these ones are....
> you never see commercials telling kids not to drink alcohol so i
> guess the law that you have to be 21 is a bad law... kids should go
> ahead and drink away....

With alcohol the message they try to send is "responsible drinking is
OK, so long as you are 21." Little surprise this isn't very effective
with the under 21 crowd.
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Acid Pooh wrote:
> jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote in message
> news:<3f3ff2e9.68304438@news.znet.com>...
>
>> i thought it was satanic ritual acitivity.... i dont' really know
>> much about
>> the manson family, but that's a really rare case... most acid users
>> are laid
>> back hippie types who sell flowers and play acoustic guitar at
>> street corners...
>
> Dude, your ignorance is showing.
>
> How can you say "most" acid users are laid back hippies? Have you met
> "most" acid users? I'll bet that for every one you've met, there are
> a thousand who don't meet your stereotype.

Yeah, this would be about as inaccurate as someone who claimed the
Manson Family was the norm for LSD users.
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[Acid Pooh]

jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote in message news:<3f40b3b6.117669439@news.znet.com>...

> >
> >Dude, your ignorance is showing.
> >
> >How can you say "most" acid users are laid back hippies? Have you met
> >"most" acid users? I'll bet that for every one you've met, there are
> >a thousand who don't meet your stereotype.
>
> i don't think so. i bet the fucktards are a small percentage.
>

LOL. I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Are you saying
that "the fucktards" are all users who aren't hippies, all the users
you've met, or people who end up being violent while on acid?

You're not only ignorant, you have absolutely no capacity for rational
analysis.

'cid 'ooh

[marques de sade]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:57:33 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:46:23 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>>> The message is not only is this the law, but to also try and
>>> convince people laws against drugs are a good thing because drugs
>>> are so
>>> dangerous.
>>
>> in other words, some laws are not good, but these ones are....
>> you never see commercials telling kids not to drink alcohol so i
>> guess the law that you have to be 21 is a bad law... kids should go
>> ahead and drink away....
>
> With alcohol the message they try to send is "responsible drinking is
>OK, so long as you are 21." Little surprise this isn't very effective
>with the under 21 crowd.

i've never seen an ad telling kids not to drink alcohol... why not... they
have ads telling them not to smoke pot, so that must mean that it's ok for them
to drink alcohol...

>--
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>
>


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``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[marques de sade]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:02:49 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>Acid Pooh wrote:
>> jesucristo2@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote in message
>> news:<3f3ff2e9.68304438@news.znet.com>...
>>
>>> i thought it was satanic ritual acitivity.... i dont' really know
>>> much about
>>> the manson family, but that's a really rare case... most acid users
>>> are laid
>>> back hippie types who sell flowers and play acoustic guitar at
>>> street corners...
>>
>> Dude, your ignorance is showing.
>>
>> How can you say "most" acid users are laid back hippies? Have you met
>> "most" acid users? I'll bet that for every one you've met, there are
>> a thousand who don't meet your stereotype.
>
> Yeah, this would be about as inaccurate as someone who claimed the
>Manson Family was the norm for LSD users.

the point is alcohol is legal, so crack should be legal... or are you saying
as long as it's blacks that are killing each other, who the hell cares...

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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

marques de sade wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:57:33 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>> With alcohol the message they try to send is "responsible drinking
>> is OK, so long as you are 21." Little surprise this isn't very
>> effective with the under 21 crowd.
>
> i've never seen an ad telling kids not to drink alcohol... why
> not... they have ads telling them not to smoke pot, so that must
> mean that it's ok for them to drink alcohol...

Where do you live? In the US (Michigan) I've seen ads against teenage
drinking. Although definitely they focus is on drugs other than alcohol.
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[marques de sade]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:25 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:

>marques de sade wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:57:33 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
>> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
>>> With alcohol the message they try to send is "responsible drinking
>>> is OK, so long as you are 21." Little surprise this isn't very
>>> effective with the under 21 crowd.
>>
>> i've never seen an ad telling kids not to drink alcohol... why
>> not... they have ads telling them not to smoke pot, so that must
>> mean that it's ok for them to drink alcohol...
>
> Where do you live? In the US (Michigan) I've seen ads against teenage
>drinking. Although definitely they focus is on drugs other than alcohol.

i also live in the US and i've never seen it. moreover, all the people in
alcohol commercials are young people--they never show old people getting drunk,
just young people playing volley ball or dancing at a club, or what have you...
if it's ok for young people to get drunk, why is it not ok to get stoned, i
don't get it... they're not showing the people in the beer commercial just
having one beer, they're showing them getting shitfaced and partying their asses
off... how would it be different to get stoned and party... i dont' get it...

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>
>


--

octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)

``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999. (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)

[Gary Walters]

Fucktard? Fucktard for taking LSD. Listening bitch i'm 47 and when I was
16-19yrs old I did LSD but I didn't do stupid shit or blame my fuck ups on
acid. Too many people like you, no one is respondisble for what they do. You
are the kind of vermin that spews at the mouth, my johnny did, watch,
listened to, heard something and then did it. Well Johnny is probably a
problem child looking for an excuse to blame his fuck ups on and would fuck
something up eventually anyway.

Nice try Fucktard!

Gary

[chuck]

"Gary Walters" <lwalt@iquest.net> wrote in message news:<biah9m$5tb$1@news.iquest.net>...
> Fucktard? Fucktard for taking LSD. Listening bitch i'm 47 and when I was
> 16-19yrs old I did LSD but I didn't do stupid shit or blame my fuck ups on
> acid. Too many people like you, no one is respondisble for what they do. You
> are the kind of vermin that spews at the mouth, my johnny did, watch,
> listened to, heard something and then did it. Well Johnny is probably a
> problem child looking for an excuse to blame his fuck ups on and would fuck
> something up eventually anyway.
>
> Nice try Fucktard!
>
> Gary

I agree, people should be responsible for their own actions, whether
its drugs, alcohal, or what they do while on them. If your going to
dose something be prepared, not a "fucktard".

-chuck

[PATRICIA L BURCHFIELD]

I think people who use lsd need not to use the word, "fucktard". It makes
us look not so ummm, smart.
"chuck" <chuck01@beer.com> wrote in message
news:7e9f920a.0308241226.38a00d6b@posting.google.c om...
> "Gary Walters" <lwalt@iquest.net> wrote in message
news:<biah9m$5tb$1@news.iquest.net>...
> > Fucktard? Fucktard for taking LSD. Listening bitch i'm 47 and when I was
> > 16-19yrs old I did LSD but I didn't do stupid shit or blame my fuck ups
on
> > acid. Too many people like you, no one is respondisble for what they do.
You
> > are the kind of vermin that spews at the mouth, my johnny did, watch,
> > listened to, heard something and then did it. Well Johnny is probably a
> > problem child looking for an excuse to blame his fuck ups on and would
fuck
> > something up eventually anyway.
> >
> > Nice try Fucktard!
> >
> > Gary
>
> I agree, people should be responsible for their own actions, whether
> its drugs, alcohal, or what they do while on them. If your going to
> dose something be prepared, not a "fucktard".
>
> -chuck

[K]

I think that is quite an unfair comparison.

How many rapes are committed daily via alcohol? To take one case of a drug
related rape and tar the entire issue is equivalent to saying that cars
should not be invented or driven because it causes fatal road accidents.


"marques de sade" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3f429eeb.10905205@news.znet.com...
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:57:33 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
>
> >marques de sade wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:46:23 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
> >> <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote:
> >>> The message is not only is this the law, but to also try and
> >>> convince people laws against drugs are a good thing because drugs
> >>> are so
> >>> dangerous.
> >>
> >> in other words, some laws are not good, but these ones are....
> >> you never see commercials telling kids not to drink alcohol so i
> >> guess the law that you have to be 21 is a bad law... kids should go
> >> ahead and drink away....
> >
> > With alcohol the message they try to send is "responsible drinking is
> >OK, so long as you are 21." Little surprise this isn't very effective
> >with the under 21 crowd.
>
> i've never seen an ad telling kids not to drink alcohol... why not...
they
> have ads telling them not to smoke pot, so that must mean that it's ok for
them
> to drink alcohol...
>
> >--
> >http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
> >For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> octinomos (http://www.nyx.net/~dlongori/strck.htm)
>
> ``By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which
intelligence sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the
United States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the
international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in
Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the
newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime
network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the
KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with
drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden." --FROM
'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999.
(http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm)