Re: glog on DXM being a psychedelic

[glog]

I've stated all along that DXM can be psychedelic for *some*
poeple. For many others it isn't. For myself, I thought it might be when I first
tried it. When I tried higher doses, I concluded it wasn't. During this time,
my critea for 'psychedelic' may have also become more refined. I'm a flexible
person, I change with time.

When are *you* going to grow up and accept that large numbers of poeple
don't find your drug psychedelic, whether or not I think it is.

Once upon a timeless moment,
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> hallucinated:
> Some more gems from him. He actually states "Both DXM and PCP are
> psychedelic too, at least for me." I've gotta figure at this point he is
> just trolling.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=F65FD93A7876FC01.FC374CF0FECF7D63.CB0A C02121FC7423%40lp.airnews.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
> "You're the one making this DXM/psychedelic thing a personal
> issue. I've stated numerous times here I think DXM is psychedelic. But
> that seems not enough for you. It seems nothing negative at all can
> ever be said about DXM around here. That's totally unreasonable."
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=26F7B76931268430.1CE921C1542C14F4.316A E5514C102889%40lp.airnews.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
> "Sure. Both DXM and PCP are psychedelic too, at least for me. However
> they are not my favorite psychedelic of choice. Is that OK??"
>
> "And so do some "DXMers". This is alt.drugs.psychedelics, so people
> naturally do favor psychedelics here, including DXM."
>
>

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

glog wrote:
> I've stated all along that DXM can be psychedelic for *some*
> poeple. For many others it isn't. For myself, I thought it might be
> when I first
> tried it. When I tried higher doses, I concluded it wasn't. During
> this time,
> my critea for 'psychedelic' may have also become more refined. I'm a
> flexible
> person, I change with time.
>
> When are *you* going to grow up and accept that large numbers of
> poeple
> don't find your drug psychedelic, whether or not I think it is.

And, when are you going to grow up and accept that large numbers of
people do find DXM psychedelic? From the quotes below you are calling it
a psychedelic, and now argue that it isn't a psychedelic drug and
doesn't belong in this NG? Had you simply stuck to "personally I don't
consider DXM a psychedelic now, but I used to", then this wouldn't be an
issue.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

michael wrote:

> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/antitrollfaqhtm.htm
>
> "In about the year 1999 a new breed of Troll appeared who have the
> declared intention of destroying a specific Target newsgroup. This is
> done by a variety of posts, (see Section 4) intended to drive normal
> posters away from the specific newsgroup.

The above describes you perfectly. I've been here since 1998. And,
DXM was a popular topic in the NG before I arrived on Usenet. You didn't
start posting here until 2002. DXMers long have been the normal posters
in this NG. It is you who are trying to drive people out.
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For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

glog wrote:

> That's why everyone is asking *you* to leave??

Hardly everyone. You just ignore everyone who disagrees with you.
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[Walkaway]

-----
glog <be@here.now> wrote:
-----
> When are *you* going to grow up and accept that large numbers
> of poeple
-----
Well, technically, some people, by some definitions. The numbers are
not precisely in on that. I've not seen a Gallup poll with the
question, "Do you consider dextromethorphan a psychedelic drug?" In
my experience, the numbers of people who took it in my presence and
did not experience substantially 'trippy' mental effects were perhaps
3-5% (and that's being optimistic). However, as I have stated
numerous times in the past (though you somehow managed to miss it), my
experience is not universal. Nor is yours. It is logically possible
that people exist who find LSD to be not as optimal of a psychedelic
as DXM, for them. In fact, I have met several such people (though, of
course, you will now unscientifically dismiss my testimony as it does
not agree with your preconceptions of what is possible - that's fine,
when I first encountered people who preferred DXM head and shoulders
over LSD, I didn't believe them either; experience taught me the
foolhardiness of believing that my experience is the only possible
one).
-----
> don't find your drug psychedelic
-----
I know this was addressed to Robert, but given comments of yours in a
few other threads, please point me to where I said that my experience
is universal. A link or message ID would be nice.
-----
Namaste,
Cliff

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Walkaway wrote:
> -----
> glog <be@here.now> wrote:
> -----
>> When are *you* going to grow up and accept that large numbers
>> of poeple
> -----
> Well, technically, some people, by some definitions. The numbers are
> not precisely in on that. I've not seen a Gallup poll with the
> question, "Do you consider dextromethorphan a psychedelic drug?"

Yeah, I do wonder what real survey data he has to back that up? In
particular, I am presuming he is referring specifically to people who
have used DXM (which is a serious flaw on his part; most people who use
the word "psychedelic" have never used any psychedelic drug.)

> In
> my experience, the numbers of people who took it in my presence and
> did not experience substantially 'trippy' mental effects were perhaps
> 3-5% (and that's being optimistic). However, as I have stated
> numerous times in the past (though you somehow managed to miss it), my
> experience is not universal. Nor is yours. It is logically possible
> that people exist who find LSD to be not as optimal of a psychedelic
> as DXM, for them. In fact, I have met several such people (though, of
> course, you will now unscientifically dismiss my testimony as it does
> not agree with your preconceptions of what is possible - that's fine,
> when I first encountered people who preferred DXM head and shoulders
> over LSD, I didn't believe them either; experience taught me the
> foolhardiness of believing that my experience is the only possible
> one).

Fair point here glog. You state that large numbers of people don't
consider DXM to be psychedelic. Cliff, based on talking face to face
with actual DXM users (something I have rarely done) reports only 3-5%
did not experience substantially 'trippy' mental effects. Why should I
consider you more credible? Particularly as Cliff's experiences are
consistent with what I have read by DXMers on the Internet.

>> don't find your drug psychedelic
> -----
> I know this was addressed to Robert, but given comments of yours in a
> few other threads, please point me to where I said that my experience
> is universal. A link or message ID would be nice.

Don't hold your breath.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

michael wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:<3f257fc0$0$156$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...

>> The above describes you perfectly. I've been here since 1998. And,
>> DXM was a popular topic in the NG before I arrived on Usenet. You
>> didn't
>> start posting here until 2002. DXMers long have been the normal
>> posters
>> in this NG. It is you who are trying to drive people out.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7qv77v42jo2gpqph32gs0117rrkn8oc8mt%404 ax.com&output=gplain
>
> "However, realize that very few people around here
> have come interested about use of any psychedelic in a sacramental
> context. This group has always been that way, and likely always will.
> Until you realize this, you will be out of place."

That is true. You are trying to drive out people and turn this into a
group of people who use psychedelics sacramentally. This wasn't the norm
(with notable exceptions) since 1998.
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[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

noiYzmaker wrote:
> "glog" <be@here.now> wrote in message
> news:slrnbiat6u.etr.be@be.here.now...
>>
>> I've stated all along that DXM can be psychedelic for *some*
>> poeple. For many others it isn't. For myself, I thought it might be
>> when I first tried it. When I tried higher doses, I concluded it
>> wasn't. During this time, my critea for 'psychedelic' may have also
>> become more refined. I'm a flexible person, I change with time.
>>
>> When are *you* going to grow up and accept that large numbers of
>> poeple don't find your drug psychedelic, whether or not I think it
>> is.
>
> LOL.

;)
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