Re: LSD News: 3 teens on LSD brutally murder woman

[!social]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f21cd0c$0$152$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> Interesting all the murders one finds committed by people tripping on
> LSD if you look. This one is pretty grisly. Three teens tripping on LSD
> attacked a woman, injected her with bleach in the neck, and then stabbed
> her to death.

I missed the part where it says that the teens were indeed tripping on
LSD during the murder and that this isn't merely a defense maneuver
aimed at winning them leniency. Could you point that sentence out for
those of us lacking the superior critical judgement which you display
so well?

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

!social wrote:

> I missed the part where it says that the teens were indeed tripping on
> LSD during the murder and that this isn't merely a defense maneuver
> aimed at winning them leniency. Could you point that sentence out for
> those of us lacking the superior critical judgement which you display
> so well?

Where does it say that the prosecution is contesting that they
weren't on LSD? Under the law, if someone sane takes a drug, and that
drug causes them to be violent, then they are considered responsible.
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[David]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f22a0e1$0$162$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> !social wrote:
>
> > I missed the part where it says that the teens were indeed tripping on
> > LSD during the murder and that this isn't merely a defense maneuver
> > aimed at winning them leniency. Could you point that sentence out for
> > those of us lacking the superior critical judgement which you display
> > so well?
>
> Where does it say that the prosecution is contesting that they
> weren't on LSD? Under the law, if someone sane takes a drug, and that
> drug causes them to be violent, then they are considered responsible.

They could use LSD as a scapegoat for why they did it. They might
plead temporary insanity.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

David wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> wrote in
> message
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>> Where does it say that the prosecution is contesting that they
>> weren't on LSD? Under the law, if someone sane takes a drug, and that
>> drug causes them to be violent, then they are considered responsible.
>
> They could use LSD as a scapegoat for why they did it. They might
> plead temporary insanity.

If you read the news story, apparently not. They confessed to the
murders and mentioned use of LSD before they had attorneys. Obviously if
they had been thinking in terms of legal strategy at that point they'd
have said nothing.
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[Ernesto]

> > > They could use LSD as a scapegoat for why they did it. They might
> > plead temporary insanity.
>
> If you read the news story, apparently not. They confessed to the
> murders and mentioned use of LSD before they had attorneys. Obviously if
> they had been thinking in terms of legal strategy at that point they'd
> have said nothing.

This story is from 1999. The big question posed by the article was
"will the judge throw out the confession because it was involuntary?"
Vanessa's attorneys claim the police created a "cat's out of the bag"
scenario, questioning her without advisal of Miranda rights first,
then getting the story, then reading her rights, then having her
repeat it all. The rule the defense attorneys are trying to invoke is
a simple one: The taint of illegality arising from the first, illegal
interrogation, is not purged by the subsequent advisal of rights.

Additionally, the article notes what are legally considered as
"factors that undermine the voluntariness of the statement," such as
fatigue and physical duress. Right after the interrogation she was
shipped to a hospital with a massive yeast infection, and complained
during interrogation that her "stomach was getting really hurt").

There are two reasons for rejecting coerced confessions: One, that
the confession is inherently unreliable as the possible or likely
result of the desire to simply tell the interrogator what they want to
hear. Second, the confession is excluded as a penalty against law
enforcement, that presumably wants to get convictions, in order to
deter future constitutional violations of the same sort.

The article is pretty accurate in portraying a likely courtroom
scenario. The question is, how did it end? Did the judge throw out
the confession as involuntary? That might legally save the girl from
a murder conviction.

Still, we have two other confessed acid-murderers on our hands, only
reducing the count by one.

Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want to
kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with an
axe.

But I've almost killed lots of people. I once piloted a BMW at a
hundred and ten on a crowded freeway, with five other guys. I was not
on acid. I once drove home so drunk that I felt like I was looking
through a fishbowl. I actually drove home based on some very vague
visual cues, like brightness levels of major intersections and the
tilt of the streets. Of course my friends said I was totally in
control. And after just one beer, I noticed I'd get home on my
motorcycle way too fast. So how am I most likely to kill someone?
Not on acid.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Ernesto wrote:

> Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want to
> kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
> likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
> might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with an
> axe.
>
> But I've almost killed lots of people. I once piloted a BMW at a
> hundred and ten on a crowded freeway, with five other guys. I was not
> on acid. I once drove home so drunk that I felt like I was looking
> through a fishbowl. I actually drove home based on some very vague
> visual cues, like brightness levels of major intersections and the
> tilt of the streets. Of course my friends said I was totally in
> control. And after just one beer, I noticed I'd get home on my
> motorcycle way too fast. So how am I most likely to kill someone?
> Not on acid.

That's you. LSD may very well make others homicidal. As for driving
while drunk being dangerous, imagine how dangers someone driving on LSD
would be?
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[Poop Dogg]

"Ernesto" wrote in message ...
>Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want to
>kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
>likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
>might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with an
>axe.

When I'm on acid I fell like barely moving, certainly not in any
shape to kill someone. I've never experienced any negative emotions
while on acid, though once I did get paranoid while watching the
news reports on Clinton's visit to China (I thought he was a
Chinese spy and had made the trip to be debriefed by his superiors
- not really a far-fetched scenario at all).

It is a well-known fact that the government makes outrageous claims
about whatever drug happens to be popular at the moment. 40-50
years ago it was commonplace to hear claims about how marijuana
induced teenagers to axe their parents to death. Then by the
1960s it had evolved into the stories of babysitters taking LSD
then thinking the baby was a turkey and cooking it in the oven.
Now it is DXM, though the media has played down DXM under pressure
from the drug industry, it is just a matter of time before we
start hearing horror stories of kids on DXM going on killing
sprees.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Poop Dogg wrote:
> "Ernesto" wrote in message ...
>> Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want
>> to kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
>> likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
>> might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with
>> an axe.
>
> When I'm on acid I fell like barely moving, certainly not in any
> shape to kill someone. I've never experienced any negative emotions
> while on acid, though once I did get paranoid while watching the
> news reports on Clinton's visit to China (I thought he was a
> Chinese spy and had made the trip to be debriefed by his superiors
> - not really a far-fetched scenario at all).
>
> It is a well-known fact that the government makes outrageous claims
> about whatever drug happens to be popular at the moment. 40-50
> years ago it was commonplace to hear claims about how marijuana
> induced teenagers to axe their parents to death. Then by the
> 1960s it had evolved into the stories of babysitters taking LSD
> then thinking the baby was a turkey and cooking it in the oven.
> Now it is DXM, though the media has played down DXM under pressure
> from the drug industry, it is just a matter of time before we
> start hearing horror stories of kids on DXM going on killing
> sprees.

I do have a copy of a news report on my website where a kid who was
abusing Coricidin bashed in his brother's head and murdered him. It
actually has happened with DXM already. However, LSD has a long history
of violence, murder, etc. Mention LSD to older people on the street, and
there is a good chance the person they associate most with the drug is
Charlie Manson.
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[miStaSpliff~]

Yeah, did you ever see that movie "Reefer Madness". It was created by the
government. It was rigoddamdiculous.


"Poop Dogg" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Ernesto" wrote in message ...
> >Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want to
> >kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
> >likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
> >might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with an
> >axe.
>
> When I'm on acid I fell like barely moving, certainly not in any
> shape to kill someone. I've never experienced any negative emotions
> while on acid, though once I did get paranoid while watching the
> news reports on Clinton's visit to China (I thought he was a
> Chinese spy and had made the trip to be debriefed by his superiors
> - not really a far-fetched scenario at all).
>
> It is a well-known fact that the government makes outrageous claims
> about whatever drug happens to be popular at the moment. 40-50
> years ago it was commonplace to hear claims about how marijuana
> induced teenagers to axe their parents to death. Then by the
> 1960s it had evolved into the stories of babysitters taking LSD
> then thinking the baby was a turkey and cooking it in the oven.
> Now it is DXM, though the media has played down DXM under pressure
> from the drug industry, it is just a matter of time before we
> start hearing horror stories of kids on DXM going on killing
> sprees.
>
>

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

Ernesto wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@mochamail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:<3f22a0e1$0$162$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
>> Where does it say that the prosecution is contesting that they
>> weren't on LSD?
>
> You're reversing position now.

???

>> Under the law, if someone sane takes a drug, and that
>> drug causes them to be violent, then they are considered responsible.
>
> Under what law?
>
> "Responsible" for what?

Under US law. If you knowingly and intentionally take a recreational
drug, and that drug makes you crazy and violent and you murder someone,
then you are legally liable for the crime. Only if you were unknowingly
dosed (say someone secretly added LSD to your soft drink) could you
escape criminal responsibility.
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[Reach The Sky]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> a écrit
dans le message de
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> Reach The Sky wrote:
> > "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> > a écrit dans le message de
> > news:3f3ed6d9$0$157$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreen ews.net...
>
> >> That's you. LSD may very well make others homicidal. As for
> >> driving while drunk being dangerous, imagine how dangers someone
> >> driving on LSD would be?
> >
> > I don't know what kind of LSD slows down your reaction time.
>
> There is only one kind of LSD. You fail to see why driving while on a
> psychedelic drug would be a Very Bad Idea? Reminds me of a bumper
> sticker I once saw. "I brake for hallucinations." ;)
> --

For all I know LSD has made me a better driver. I take curves like a pro
driver and put most morons driving their Civic to shame.


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>
>

[ShrikeBack]

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com> wrote in message news:<3f3efd35$0$156$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...
> Poop Dogg wrote:
> > "Ernesto" wrote in message ...
> >> Let's ask ourselves realistically though -- does acid make you want
> >> to kill people? I've been on acid, and I think it would be much less
> >> likely that I'd kill somebody while on acid. I get pretty gentle. I
> >> might run away and hide in the woods. But I wouldn't come out with
> >> an axe.
> >
> > When I'm on acid I fell like barely moving, certainly not in any
> > shape to kill someone. I've never experienced any negative emotions
> > while on acid, though once I did get paranoid while watching the
> > news reports on Clinton's visit to China (I thought he was a
> > Chinese spy and had made the trip to be debriefed by his superiors
> > - not really a far-fetched scenario at all).
> >
> > It is a well-known fact that the government makes outrageous claims
> > about whatever drug happens to be popular at the moment. 40-50
> > years ago it was commonplace to hear claims about how marijuana
> > induced teenagers to axe their parents to death. Then by the
> > 1960s it had evolved into the stories of babysitters taking LSD
> > then thinking the baby was a turkey and cooking it in the oven.
> > Now it is DXM, though the media has played down DXM under pressure
> > from the drug industry, it is just a matter of time before we
> > start hearing horror stories of kids on DXM going on killing
> > sprees.
>
> I do have a copy of a news report on my website where a kid who was
> abusing Coricidin bashed in his brother's head and murdered him. It
> actually has happened with DXM already. However, LSD has a long history
> of violence, murder, etc. Mention LSD to older people on the street, and
> there is a good chance the person they associate most with the drug is
> Charlie Manson.

But incidents of individuals commiting murder under the influence of
implies nothing, what counts is incidence, not incidents.

Somehow, I should have expected the State to have seized on any study
which indicated an increased incidence of murder among LSD users and
spread it throughout the propagandasphere long ago. Yet, they have not
done so.

Robert, if you got no figures, you got... nothing.

[rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski]

ShrikeBack wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@EXECUTESPAMMERSmochamail.com>
> wrote in message
> news:<3f3efd35$0$156$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.n et>...

>> I do have a copy of a news report on my website where a kid who
>> was
>> abusing Coricidin bashed in his brother's head and murdered him. It
>> actually has happened with DXM already. However, LSD has a long
>> history
>> of violence, murder, etc. Mention LSD to older people on the street,
>> and
>> there is a good chance the person they associate most with the drug
>> is
>> Charlie Manson.
>
> But incidents of individuals commiting murder under the influence of
> implies nothing, what counts is incidence, not incidents.
>
> Somehow, I should have expected the State to have seized on any study
> which indicated an increased incidence of murder among LSD users and
> spread it throughout the propagandasphere long ago. Yet, they have
> not
> done so.
>
> Robert, if you got no figures, you got... nothing.

I concede this is just anecdotal evidence that LSD is associated with
increased violence.
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