Hi there,
Ofcourse your reaction to this particular type of advert is nothing
new (and will predictably evoke no response whatsoever from the
OP, their trackrecord of engaging themselves in an honest
discussion with the very forums they litter with ads is dramatic at
best), no-one has ever complained to these guys that they are selling
their stuff too cheap (a complaint that is rarely ever heard).
But in your response you make some statements that I cannot and
do not agree with. Read on :)
> this looks like it is as expensive as hashish/opium,
Yes. Well, may be. I guess you're saying they're demanding too
much for too little, ripping you off basically (or trying to). That
they certainly are. Seeing how nature provides us these substances
for absolutely nothing other than perhaps a little respect (and we all
know she ain't getting as much of it as is needed), their asking for
any kind of material gain would be overpricing.
Then again, if you work hard each day, you don't want to come home
to a garden that demands you put in some more hours of hard labour,
so growing some useful crops yourself is out of the question. And if
you're living in a fascist state (and in some sense, we all are living in a
fascist state) and have to make sure your neighbours think you're a
godfearing patriot that just says NO (except for those times the
administration feels it's better if you all say yes, when it's time to kick
some foreign ass for example), you're not going to ask around town
for these herbs.
If they're charging the costs of not only packaging the stuff and getting
it all your way right up to your frontdoor but also of growing and
expanding their collection and maintaining a certain level of quality,
then what's wrong with that?
And were you actually implying that hashish and opium are somewhat
equal in price??
> and we know it isn't as good as those,
That's a bold statement to make. Hawain Baby Woodrose seeds
versus hashish or opium. I've never experienced the latter or the
first but I do know hashish (boy, do I know hashish!) and from
what I've *read* about HBW hashish would just serve as minor
introduction material to a grand show. Salvia is said to be another
one of those plants that are not to be underestimated.
I'd reconsider that statement if I were you :)
> AND, we know you should be able to be a little more
> competitive on price, since you do not have the "overhead" of illgeal
> considerations in your distribution system,
This is TRUE, no doubt about it. Aside from the point I made
earlier about not everyone having the time to maintain a garden,
there are some seeds that need nothing more from us to perform
their little trick than simply to be thrown in the dirt and they'll get
down to business themselves. With enough sunlight and rain these
plants will thrive and present their fruits and candy at the approriate
time. They don't need us to grow, we need them to grow :)
And these fruits are FREE, I repeat FREE, and thus $8 for 25 HBW
seeds or $23 for a gram of 10x Salvia is outragiously expensive, no
matter if the other guys are charging even more (that simply means
they're even *more* impaired on the moral scale).
> so, I say this is snake oil, and you are preying upon our culture
This is somewhat overstated I think. I'm sure that these guys are
not in the business of spreading the good news around, they are
in the business of making money.
But think of it this way: we want this psychedelic thing to touch as
many people as possible. And how, throughout all of history, are
things (material or otherwise) spread throughout the community?
By trade. Some of us got friends "who know people" but we are
considered 'the lucky ones', we don't have to go out and find our
stuff wherever we can, asking all kinds of fishy persons for the
appropiate address all the time looking over our shoulder. But some
people do. Maybe some poor sucker hasn't got any other choice.
I'd rather see this poor bloke have his seeds delivered by the
mailman than for him to abstain any psychedelic experience (even
a minor one, some-thing is obviously always more than no-thing)
So, Average Joe, these were basically the things going through my
mind when I read your response:) Now you know.
"Comrade" <averagejoe@mysolution.ws> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.07.14.21.24.10.856286@mysolution.ws. ..
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:42:24 -0700, Jake wrote:
>
> > Try Salvia Island's all new BETEL NUT today! Also, we are still
> > offering the finest quality Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds and Salvia
> > Extracts, anywhere on the net:
> >
> > Salvia 5x - $14/gram
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> > Betel Nut - $10/25g, $18/50g
> > WHITE Salvia - $8/25 grams, $26/100 grams
> > China Blue 5x - $17/10 grams
> > Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds - $8/25 Seeds $14/50 or $25/100 etc.
> > Kava Kava 3x - $9/40 grams
> > Wild Dagga - 1/2 oz/$9, 1 oz/$17
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> >
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> >
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>
>
>
>
> this looks like it is as expensive as hashish/opium, and we know it isn't
> as good as those, AND, we know you should be able to be a little more
> competitive on price, since you do not have the "overhead" of illgeal
> considerations in your distribution system, so, I say this is snake oil,
> and you are preying upon our culture
>
>
>
> --
> Comrade
> see my friend Average Joe's site
> http://www.mysolution.ws
> the aristocracy was the problem in 1776
> the aristocracy is the problem today
> http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
> we must close the door by which aristocracy arises
>
> "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
> Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
> than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
> a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick
>
> Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
> Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
> without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
> its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
> and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
> "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
> of enlightenment.
> Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784
>
> Ayn Rand just professed laissez faire, another Jewish mysticist
> of Zionist status quo social order, and aspiring to such, she
> never challenged "the establishment" she was a radical crony,
> not a radical individual, the very anti-thesis of individualism
>