Rye casings experiment...kindof

[GirlsHateMe]

So I had some white mold attack 3 of my biggest casings right as they were pinning...eventually after a lot of of time and effort, I took a knife to the top and just took it all off. Frustration is a bad thing...

I got some lids and put some dry verm down on them and flipped the rye casings out to fruit like cakes in some perlite tubs outside.

I herd you really shouldnt try to fruit rye like a cake, but screw it, you lose all that fruiting area in tubs...

They are doing ok with good mistings 3 times a day, plus its been rainy...

2 of them are pinning and fruiting but one seems to be stalled out...

Ill take some pics when im allowed to link images...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

I'm using rye for castings too, plus coir. Only i just got my organic rye berries in the mail yesterday morning (got 10 pounds for $20), I just soaked for 24 hrs, and then simmered, strained, and put it in half pint jars, I put the jars in the freezer, so that I can take them to a buddy's house to Pressure Cook later today(I don't have one)... Once they colonize I'm gonna make a whole bunch of small casings with coir in small Tupperware containers, I hope yours works out as good as mine will. :) I found out that rye tends to get bacterial contamination easily, so it's best to pressure cook after a nice long 24hr soak. How do you grow outside, and keep it at a good temp? Here it's to trucking hot inside to grow mushrooms, I had to make a AC unit out of ice a fan, a cooler, and some aluminum foil. It worked good to keep my FC at about 75f, 80f when the light's on...

[GirlsHateMe]

Well, I dont like to soak my grains for 24 hours anymore, they can only absorb so much water and 12 hours does the job just fine...

some things id suggest to you, one add some gypsum to the water during the soak. Also you need to wash the rye off super good before you soak, the dirt and stuff will make the grains stick together. I dont simmer, have before, havent noticed any difference since I stopped...but if it makes you feel better go right ahead...

I like to dry my grains with a towel, gives me good moisture content, if you put some grains on a peice of toilet paper and it leaves any wet spots you need to dry it more.

Also, we arent doing the same thing, you are making casings, I had made casings and flipped them out to fruit like cakes...If you are using coir its a bulk substrate, make sure you add some coffe grounds and gypsum to it before you pasteurize your coir. Youll need to case it with something like 50/50 peat and verm with some gypsum and oyster shell flour, maybe some lime...

Also, it gets very hot outside, I dont mess with trying to change it...if it sunts the growth a little whatever, they get cooled off when I mist them and fan them a few times a day...

[GirlsHateMe]

These are the casings, I mist them 3 times a day and fan them as much if not more...

there doing ok, not as well as id like...

http://i42.tinypic.com/162oth.jpg

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Cool, I use worm castings with my coir and oyster shells for PH, and not the SAME thing, but it's still a bulk grow with rye, and your pins are growing on the sides their, but they look healthy, Hope they turn into MONSTERS!

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

and I rinsed after I soaked, but to each his own. If it works for you that kicks ass, I simmer to make sure they've absorbed all they can, if a few pop I know I need to let them soak longer... It's just to make sure I don't fuck up my Rye...

[GirlsHateMe]

LOL, ok let me explain this to you again, the idea of this was to GET IT TO PIN ON THE SIDE...like a CAKE...im NOT growing these as casings, yes there is casing dirt on the top, but thats just to keep a bit of moisture in...

how new at this are you if you dont mind me asking?

This is basic stuff you dont seem to have down...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Also, I've been meaning to buy gypsum, but I just haven't gotten their yet.

Oh, I'm not new at this I understand what your doing, but it's still basically still a casing, you just flipped it like a cake, which might not have been smart considering you're damaging your mushrooms surface area, but It's still a caseing, because it's cased.

[GirlsHateMe]

and I rinsed after I soaked, but to each his own. If it works for you that kicks ass, I simmer to make sure they've absorbed all they can, if a few pop I know I need to let them soak longer... It's just to make sure I don't fuck up my Rye...

No if they pop they are over hydrated...

man bro, you really need to go watch "lets grow mushrooms"...you seem to be really confused as to what things are called and what you are doing...

you need to go read more before you fuck your whole grow up over-saturating your rye...

DONT rush into this...wait till you have everything down pat before you go just doing stuff, to many people waste tons of rye and time because they diddnt just read more...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

No dude I have soaked my rye till it has absorbed enough water that I can bring to a HEAVY boil without it popping, it pops when it starts rapidly absorbing water, if it has already absorbed enough water you don't have to worry about popping kernels, and if you PC'd your rye it would pop unless it has absorbed enough water I tried a 12 hr soak and the bottom 1/2 of my berries popped in the PC, buddy.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

I have learned from trial and error. I Dont Care if you saw an outdated video telling you otherwise. that video also suggests flame sterilizing, but more mushroom growers advise against it. So, you need to look into more than one video.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

I can direct you to a few rye teks that pretty much describe what I do to a T, and they have picks of flushes that will make you nut in your pants.

[GirlsHateMe]

No dude I have soaked my rye till it has absorbed enough water that I can bring to a HEAVY boil without it popping, it pops when it starts rapidly absorbing water, if it has already absorbed enough water you don't have to worry about popping kernels, and if you PC'd your rye it would pop unless it has absorbed enough water I tried a 12 hr soak and the bottom 1/2 of my berries popped in the PC, buddy.


First of all, that video is hardly outdated since thats what everyone at shroomery learned from and is still learning from...and its laughable you say its outdated...im sure rodger rabbit would laugh too...

and your theory about kernals is ammusing, popper kernals after a 12 hour soak? sounds fishy to me...your doing something wrong...

if it has absorbed enough water you dont have to worry about popping kernals? thats silly...infact thats really silly...

and if you PC'd your rye it would pop unless it has absorbed enough waterexplain to me then why alot of people throw water and dry rye into jars and pc, explain that then?


Like I said, you seriously need to go read some more before you run around here spreading misinformation...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

First of all, that video is hardly outdated since thats what everyone at shroomery learned from and is still learning from...and its laughable you say its outdated...im sure rodger rabbit would laugh too...

and your theory about kernals is ammusing, popper kernals after a 12 hour soak? sounds fishy to me...your doing something wrong...

if it has absorbed enough water you dont have to worry about popping kernals? thats silly...infact thats really silly...

and "if id pc my rye", you cant really use grains unless you pc...

Like I said, you seriously need to go read some more before you run around here spreading misinformation...


Rodger Rabbit said the same thing as me in one of his posts so it's funny you would bring him up.

[GirlsHateMe]

Go find it and show it to me, otherwise you're just spouting shit..

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Um, shroomery is down, but when it comes back up I will be glad to show you his post...

[GirlsHateMe]

Yeah I forgot about that

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

He literally said "If you soak your rye long enough you can bring it to a HEAVY boil and it won't pop..." He also suggests soaking for 24 hr.s

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Not word for word, I can find his post, so thats my re-wording of it.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

because it was on shroomery, and as i said they're doing maintenance.

[GirlsHateMe]

I dont boil though, so that means nothing to me...boiling is silly and to me hasnt provided the least bit of protection against contams...

and no, he doesnt suggest soaking it for 24 hours, because ive seen him say that he doesnt soak it for 24 hours because it starts to ferment and smells like ass...

Basicly the idea that you suggest, not soaking for long enough causes popped kernals is silly, thats all im saying...

12 hours is fine, and not simmering is fine...been doing it for a while, and everythings been fine...


by the way, there is an edit button, you dont need to make a new post everytime you have something to add...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Okay, and as I said if it works for you that's fantastic, but RR dose say to soak for 24 hours, and the simmering is my way to make sure i have the right moisture content, and it works for me. So, you just keep on keeping on man, life's a garden dig it.

BTW; I know that a lot of my posts have been edited, but I enjoy making numerous posts, and I don't see what that has to do with anything...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Seriously.

[GirlsHateMe]

It makes it seem like you are a troll here to get a high post count so that people might take you more seriously than say someone with less posts but with less misinformation...

that's what its got to do with...

So im gunna assume you are that troll...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

It makes it seem like you are a troll here to get a high post count so that people might take you more seriously than say someone with less posts but with less misinformation...

that's what its got to do with...

So im gunna assume you are that troll...

I don't care what you think buddy, because I'm not a troll or I would be posting picks of a kitty with stiletto heals coming into the frame, but I think that shit's nasty, and I like kittys.

[GirlsHateMe]

Im not your buddy, friend....:)

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Seriously, why don't you just chill till shroomery gets back up, so I can laugh when I post links, and a quote of what RR said about rye. Because although you have seen some outdated videos, some of us learned the real way, and actually know what we're doing.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

I'm not your buddy, friend....:)

South Park...

[GirlsHateMe]

LoL, yeah i wasnt being a dick, just making an sp refrence...

I think we got off on the wrong foot.

and LoL at your outdated comment, everyone still loves RR video, that he made with his hard earned money, and is not out of date...

"learned the right way" and "know what we are doing"

lol, yeah troll...ATTACK! because you have nothing else to say that backs you up...and for every post you find of RR's that says what you say, ill find some of his posts that back up what I say...THATS WHY SHROOMERY IS CRAP....but RR's video still holds true, and im sure hed love to see you say its outdated...


and now ill wait for you to make 5 more one word/incomplete sentence posts so your post count goes up...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

ya, u can say that...

Um, i could give a rip what RR thinks either... In all honesty he's a punk, he made those videos quite a while ago, and I'm quite sure that people can grow mushrooms however the fuck they want, and I don't see why you want to argue, when you're wrong... I guess you're the troll considering of the both of us, I'm the only one that can type correctly, and frankly I'm about to graduate from college in 1 more year, because I had to do 8 years to be a docter, and guess who paid for my school? Me, and I did it legitimately, so if you think I'ma get all butt hurt because some homo doesn't understand he's watching a video from the 80's, you're smoking crack.



I'm not going to post till shroomerys up, and i can post RR's posts sense you cant seam to find your way off his lapstick, and I guess when you find out that his most resent post say to soak rye for 24hr, and shit you'll realize what a douche you are. Have fun with your little mushrooms.

[GirlsHateMe]

I will point out I have yet to attack you in anyway, but just questioned your knowledge, id appreciate it if you calmed down and were civil...

do you even eat mushrooms?

Seems to me your pretty wound up spouting all that off about your life and stuff, whats that got to do with anything?

Anyway bro, I hope whatever is bothering you gets resolved, I think youre being really hostile for no reason and I dont appreciate it...

If you can't be civil and reply with a neutrally worded response so that it isnt some flame fest, then im going to just have to report you to the mods...

This is no way for a fellow mushroom farmer to be acting...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

So, you just keep on keeping on man, life's a garden dig it.
Wound so hard.

[GirlsHateMe]

I guess you're the troll considering of the both of us, I'm the only one that can type correctly, and frankly I'm about to graduate from college in 1 more year, because I had to do 8 years to be a docter, and guess who paid for my school? Me, and I did it legitimately, so if you think I'ma get all butt hurt because some homo doesn't understand he's watching a video from the 80's, you're smoking crack.
I'm not going to post till shroomerys up, and i can post RR's posts sense you cant seam to find your way off his lapstick, and I guess when you find out that his most resent post say to soak rye for 24hr, and shit you'll realize what a douche you are. Have fun with your little mushrooms.

you sound pretty upset and wound up to me...

all that hostility and name calling...

there is no need for it, and its a shame someone who says they went to school for so long has such a hard time bringing a civil idea exchange...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7426867#7426867


check that out, also when your done look at what RR has to say about it

]I let them boil rapidly for ten minutes or so after the 24 hour soak[/B]. Not only does it get the grains hot so they flash dry in the strainer, but it kills most of the bacteria off before you pour the water down the drain. This keeps the p-trap in your sink drain from stinking later.

My rye tek:
Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt. You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches.

Add 1/4 teaspoon per cup of rye of gypsum. Stir these into the water/grain well. Cover and leave this to sit for 24-36 hours. Don't freak out if you go 48 hours and it smells like it's fermenting. No problem. Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel nearly dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain. Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.
RR


What was I doing, let me think... pretty much this except I let endospores germinate then I rinse, and boil. NO PROBLEM IF IT SMELLS LIKE IT'S FERMENTING. didn't you say he advised against a 24hr. soak?
link to this RR post.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6951624#6951624

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

It can cause problems if too many kernels burst. It's caused by not soaking long enough before boiling to hydrate the grains. If you soak overnight, the shells soften up enough to allow the proper moisture to enter the kernels without bursting.
RR

funny how wrong i was their huh?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6215733#6215733

there you go

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

would you like to add something? Like, IDK maybe a "I'm sorry?"

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

Go find it and show it to me, otherwise you're just spouting shit..

Well I hope your happy...

[GirlsHateMe]

So you accuse me of only using one video to learn, and yet you are living and dying by this one post? and one tek?

also why is there no link to rr's post?

You see where he said if you dont soak long enough BEFORE BOILING...I dont boil, hence why we diddnt see eye to eye, see how your rush to prove me wrong and be right and hostile sent this into something it diddnt need to be?

If you had just taken my "i dont boil" to heart and understood why I was saying what I was saying, then this whole mess could have been avoided...

Also, ive read that tek on shroomery before, I dont care for it myself...

Like I said before, I could find info that conflicts with that, just as easy...

However I have nothing to prove to you, and your attitude sucks, so im just gunna stop replying to you...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6215733#6215733

this is the post in question, I can get you the link to the other if you would like. Keep on digging your hole dude, I'll keep throwing dirt back in it.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

So you accuse me of only using one video to learn, and yet you are living and dying by this one post? and one tek?

also why is there no link to rr's post?

You see where he said if you dont soak long enough BEFORE BOILING...I dont boil, hence why we diddnt see eye to eye, see how your rush to prove me wrong and be right and hostile sent this into something it diddnt need to be?

If you had just taken my "i dont boil" to heart and understood why I was saying what I was saying, then this whole mess could have been avoided...

Also, ive read that tek on shroomery before, I dont care for it myself...

Like I said before, I could find info that conflicts with that, just as easy...

However I have nothing to prove to you, and your attitude sucks, so im just gunna stop replying to you...


You mean I proved you wrong? I'm making sure the noobs on here don't think that shit you make up as you go along is true, did you buy a rye grow bag on the internet for you castings (sorry giant cased jars)? because you don't know anything about rye...

[GirlsHateMe]

ITS CASINGS, NOT CASTINGS....you arent even familiar with the terms yet my friend...

giant cased jars? they are rye cakes...this is simple day 1 stuff that you are just clueless about...


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468463#8468463

Here is a link for you, its ALL of rr's notes, see how much conflicting and outdated info that is included, that post you show is from 06', how do people here know things havent changed since then?

Like this post FROM TODAY, NOT 3 YEARS AGO...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10297649#10297649

He says 4-24 hours, not EXACTALLY 24...I like 12, thanks...


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10304373#10304373

Heres a post from just recently praising the video you call outdated...

Again, your attitude sucks...you seriously need to look inside yourself and find out why you are so hostile to those who might have different ideas...

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

lol you're a fag, and You got owned.

there are post praizing lots of stupid shit but they can still be outdated and fucking stupid.

[DopeMushroomMoFo]

I'm going to a party where I will get some pussy, and get fucked up. As i said before do what you do with your old video, I'm going to keep doing what I want to do, and I could care less what you think. have fun riding RR cock.

[Double D]

quit being immature, both of you. locked

[GirlsHateMe]

You need to be more respectful of others...

this is not the attitude to have on a mushroom growing message board...

were supposed to be working twords the same goal here, growing good mushies...

You sit here an question my knowledge but you dont seem to even have the simple grasp of terms and ideas down...

castings? giant cased jars?

I mean do you even look at your screen after you get done typing?

[NHMI]

wow guys, way to be mature....glad this got closed