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mushy-mart
07-29-2007, 09:11 PM
Spawning to Manure: Growing in bulk requires the use of bulk substrates such as straw, manure or compost. The procedure is to mix with the bulk substrate an amount of spawn to colonize it. Because spawn is vigorous the bulk substrate only needs to be pasteurized.

There are many procedures for doing this. The following is a procedure for pasteurizing dehydrated manure.

You will need:
8 x 4 x 18" 2 Mil Gusseted Poly Bags (These are not autoclavable)
A 5 gallon bucket or large tray
Dehydrated manure or compost
Probe Thermometer
Large Pot

Hydrating the Manure:
Load your large tray with dehydrated manure or compost. Whatever you are processing. Soak the substrate down with a garden hose and mix the it around thoroughly. When full saturation has been reached and water begins pooling in the bottom mix it around some more and stop adding water.

Load your Gusseted Poly Bags 2/3 full.

Important:
When you load the manure by hand, gently squeeze each handful. You want the substrate to be moist not soaking and dripping. When squeezed gently, only a few drops will come out of the substrate.

EXAMPLE: Submerge a household sponge in water & fully saturate it.
Remove the fully saturated sponge. And, give it a gentle squeeze. WATER POURS OUT IN A STREAM, RIGHT. You do not want a substrate THAT WET.
Continue to slowly squeeze the sponge (very gently), until;
ONLY, A FEW DROPS ARE STILL DRIPPING OUT OF IT.

That is the same saturation point, you want a SUBSTRATE AT.
(close to 68/72% moisture capacity)

Now, its time to pasteurize the bag, or multiple bags.

Seal the bags with a rubber band or twist tie but allow it to remain loose so steam can escape.

Using a large pot, fill with water until it's about 1/2 full. The pot should be large enough to allow the bag to set in. Submerse the bag/s but keep the neck above the water to keep out excess moisture. Bouyancy will cause the bag to float so you can use something to weigh it down. Be vigilant about keeping the neck above the water.

Insert a probe thermometer through the neck and into the substrate.
Heat the stove and pot until the internal bag temperature is between 160-170F. When it has reached this temperature, set a timer for 60 to 90 min. and monitor the temperature so that it remains in the 160-170F window.
When the time is up, remove the bag and allow to cool overnight.

Optionally You can build a pastuerizer to make things easier.

Supplies:
1 : 60 qt. cooler from wal-mart
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/03/42/23/45/0003422345006_215X215.jpg
1 : wallpaper steamer
http://www.tooled-up.com/artwork/ProdImage/TB28874.jpg

Take out the drain plug from the cooler and the steamer head screw plug will fit perfectly. Insert this part into the cooler and from the inside, attach the steamer plate (optional, you can chop off most of the steamer plate to make room for your racks of manure or other substrate you want to pastuerize)
Screw the steamer plate into the hose like and it seals the hole snugly.

To use, simply fill up your holding tank, plug in the steamer and wait for it to get up to temp. Make sure you have a probe thermometer inserted into one of the substrate bags so you can set a timer for 1 hour when the temp. gets to 140 degrees F. When the temp. gets up to this, just unplug the steamer and leave the cooler lid closed. The temp. will continue to rise during the hour up to approx. 160. When it's done, remove your pastuerized substrate, allow it to cool and then spawn with your favorite legal compost loving mushroom.

legallyhomeless
08-03-2007, 12:14 AM
That works..... BUT if your just put the poo in some seal-a-meal bags and put a pot of water ont he stove and set it to 150 deg. F And put your bags in there you will have a much more constant temp. Ive already read of and then later tried putting 210 deg water into a cooler like you described but it didnt keep the temp worth a damn
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/legallyhomeless/Pasteurizer-Closed.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/legallyhomeless/Pasteurizer-Open.jpg

Ovens work too :D

Though I will never do this method again
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/legallyhomeless/Pasteurizing.jpg

mushy-mart
08-04-2007, 12:17 PM
That works..... BUT if your just put the poo in some seal-a-meal bags and put a pot of water ont he stove and set it to 150 deg. F And put your bags in there you will have a much more constant temp. Ive already read of and then later tried putting 210 deg water into a cooler like you described but it didnt keep the temp worth a damn
http://dmccorkle.batcave.net/Shroomery/June%2017th%202007/Pasteurizer-Closed.jpg
http://dmccorkle.batcave.net/Shroomery/June%2017th%202007/Pasteurizer-Open.jpg

Ovens work too :D

Though I will never do this method again
http://dmccorkle.batcave.net/Shroomery/June%2017th%202007/Pasteurizing.jpg

You should try using a different thermometer other than digital. I use a meat probe thermometer and submerge it half-way into the substrate. It keeps a fairly constant temperature. Once it reaches 140 the steamer is unplugged and the timer set for an hour. Everytime the temp is up to 160 after one hour. Once brought out of the steamer the bag continues to pasteurize while it's cooling back towards room temp. No complaints yet. It's a little hard to get 4, 5 lb bags onto the stove top.

legallyhomeless
08-09-2007, 08:10 PM
Its a digital meat thermometer that keeps the temp even to decimal. You put the metal rod in the poo and the silicone cord can withstand heat to 300 deg F. You can put your bags in your PC if you have a big enough one. I pasteurized 3 5lb bags yesterday

Mycrobia
02-05-2008, 02:20 AM
Some very old pics of tubs done with dung, hay and vermiculite....Do you fellows remember the dung brothers.....The tub ideal was borrowed from them back in the day....like said. some very old pics.

Full mature flush pic file too large....sorry!

Back when and now....Foaf leach pasturizes dung....not a method used by anyone Foaf knows other than Foaf....Its a very effective method of the pasturization of dung and works very well as you can see....If you want to know how it is done ask.

If these old pics are welcome here? I will continue to post them if not? please advise other wise.:)

Neotoma
02-05-2008, 04:19 PM
I have very successfully used burro dung (donky) in PF jars with 50 percent vermiculite. I added a small amount of BRF and PCed it all. I had the half inch filter of dry vermiculite. Just use the syringe as you use the PF tek. The strain was Lipa Yi and it colonized twice as fast as it would with just BRF. This worked so well, I will never go back to just BRF again.

Mycrobia
02-06-2008, 03:15 PM
I have very successfully used burro dung (donky) in PF jars with 50 percent vermiculite. I added a small amount of BRF and PCed it all. I had the half inch filter of dry vermiculite. Just use the syringe as you use the PF tek. The strain was Lipa Yi and it colonized twice as fast as it would with just BRF. This worked so well, I will never go back to just BRF again.

Kewl! They collonize twice as fast as brf.....Time frame for brf is around three to four weeks.

Sooo....Would you say this gives you complete collonization of your 1/2 pint substrate jars within a two week period?

Did you sterilize your jars in a pressure cooker or did you use a steaming method?

Neotoma
02-06-2008, 05:08 PM
Hi,

Yes, they were colonized in two weeks.

I always use a PC. It is nice to make things self sufficient.

Mycrobia
02-13-2008, 01:32 PM
100% Pasturized Donkey poo, nothing added. spawned with Wbs.

Poo Pies! :D

legallyhomeless
02-27-2008, 01:30 AM
B+, WBS, Poo
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/legallyhomeless/monotub191307.jpg

Mycrobia
02-27-2008, 01:54 AM
Very nice! You got skills bro! :)

legallyhomeless
02-27-2008, 06:43 AM
That was my first grow actually. Thank you

Gretchen
03-04-2008, 11:40 PM
I have great prepaste available now...check it out!

http://gretchypoohobbysub.googlepages.com/home

open FedEx box, add spawn, BAM!

Fungus Maximus
05-13-2008, 07:44 AM
Very nice work indeed

AnotherDimension
05-13-2008, 01:14 PM
ya, I will say gretchns poo looks weird but it is so amazing how well it works, even less then 50/50 spawn/poo and pans still fruited....now had it been cow her style I bet it would have been even better.

invisibleshift
08-14-2008, 05:35 AM
IS it truly required to do all this? shroomery.org in their outdoor teks don't mention anything about this stating that mother nature will handle all of it. The instructions are to basically sprinkle mycelium in the bottom of a hole and put the manure straight out of the bag onto it with other layers of course. (See Moe's Outdoor Tek @ www.shroomery.org.

PS...the manure I have was bought from Lowe's and says Hummus and Manure compost...is this the same? Will it work? Thank you much,

AnotherDimension
08-30-2008, 02:04 PM
The lowes/home depot brands work, it is what i am using presently but nothing like gretchens poo, the myc tore it up superfast where the bag stuff contaminated a lot, and has various green molds that make it through pasteurization...so if you can I would order some pasteurized poo from her, or just be patient and use what you got. I put it in a strainer and wash and then squeeze out by hand til only a few drops come out, break up with yer fingers and mix 50/50....wouldn't go any high on mix to spawn with store brands...

AnotherDimension
08-30-2008, 02:05 PM
Outdoor beds are hard as hell! I started one and myc was everywhere and then it wasn't....and no shrooms ever....out of it!....though now I am trying to introduce Oak Ridge into the wild around here....so we will see