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Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
case, 25th May.
Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
although I am sure it will.
These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
laws come into force.
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
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> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> case, 25th May.
>
> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> although I am sure it will.
>
> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> laws come into force.
Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
fly...
Bert
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> case, 25th May.
>
> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> although I am sure it will.
>
> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> laws come into force.
Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
fly...
Bert
"Bertrand Russell" <Bertie@spimmer> wrote in message
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>
> "Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
> Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
> back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
>
> I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> fly...
>
> Bert
>
If it's like the US it all has to do with $$$$. I think pot would be legal
here if it weren't so easy to grow! If anyone can grow it how ya gonna tax
it? Mushrooms being wild how ya gonna tax it?
"Bertrand Russell" <Bertie@spimmer> wrote in message
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>
> "Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
> Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
> back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
>
> I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> fly...
>
> Bert
>
If it's like the US it all has to do with $$$$. I think pot would be legal
here if it weren't so easy to grow! If anyone can grow it how ya gonna tax
it? Mushrooms being wild how ya gonna tax it?
Exactly Keep the UK government away from recreational drugs polices,,, just
ignore us and we will take care of it our selves
Exactly Keep the UK government away from recreational drugs polices,,, just
ignore us and we will take care of it our selves
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> case, 25th May.
>
> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> although I am sure it will.
>
> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> laws come into force.
Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
fly...
Bert
"Bertrand Russell" <Bertie@spimmer> wrote in message
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>
> "Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
> Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
> back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
>
> I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> fly...
>
> Bert
>
If it's like the US it all has to do with $$$$. I think pot would be legal
here if it weren't so easy to grow! If anyone can grow it how ya gonna tax
it? Mushrooms being wild how ya gonna tax it?
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
<Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
Yup, naive is a fair description.
This legislation against all Psilocybes,
cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
suspects and such like.
Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>fly...
Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
controlled substance.
I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
were legally doing the same thing.
Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
such a potent entheogen.
Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
everything above board and legit.
It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
eyes.
The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
mushrooms in the way that they did.
And now we all just have to live with it.
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
<Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
Yup, naive is a fair description.
This legislation against all Psilocybes,
cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
suspects and such like.
Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>fly...
Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
controlled substance.
I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
were legally doing the same thing.
Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
such a potent entheogen.
Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
everything above board and legit.
It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
eyes.
The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
mushrooms in the way that they did.
And now we all just have to live with it.
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:uuni31hdmgm8d1nqp4on3u11npfb8gndr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> >message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
> >> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> >> case, 25th May.
> >>
> >> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> >> although I am sure it will.
> >>
> >> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> >> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> >> laws come into force.
> >
> >Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> >hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> >bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on
the
> >back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
> >I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> >tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> >fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Maybe its time to begin a campaign showing all the things magic mushrooms
have given society and at the same time threaten to advocate for the removal
of these benefits with continued persecution eg certain public holidays no
longer holy but illegal.
Furthermore, like Johny Appleseed, write notes advocating magic mushrooms
wherever you go or whenever you have to wait for a bus or train.
From ignorance comes complacency, from knowledge will come enthusiasm, from
enthusiasm will come change.
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:uuni31hdmgm8d1nqp4on3u11npfb8gndr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> >message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
> >> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> >> case, 25th May.
> >>
> >> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> >> although I am sure it will.
> >>
> >> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> >> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> >> laws come into force.
> >
> >Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> >hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> >bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on
the
> >back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
> >I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> >tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> >fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Maybe its time to begin a campaign showing all the things magic mushrooms
have given society and at the same time threaten to advocate for the removal
of these benefits with continued persecution eg certain public holidays no
longer holy but illegal.
Furthermore, like Johny Appleseed, write notes advocating magic mushrooms
wherever you go or whenever you have to wait for a bus or train.
From ignorance comes complacency, from knowledge will come enthusiasm, from
enthusiasm will come change.
Exactly Keep the UK government away from recreational drugs polices,,, just
ignore us and we will take care of it our selves
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
<Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>> case, 25th May.
>>
>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>> although I am sure it will.
>>
>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>> laws come into force.
>
>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
Yup, naive is a fair description.
This legislation against all Psilocybes,
cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
suspects and such like.
Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>fly...
Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
controlled substance.
I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
were legally doing the same thing.
Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
such a potent entheogen.
Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
everything above board and legit.
It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
eyes.
The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
mushrooms in the way that they did.
And now we all just have to live with it.
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:uuni31hdmgm8d1nqp4on3u11npfb8gndr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
> >message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
> >> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
> >> case, 25th May.
> >>
> >> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
> >> although I am sure it will.
> >>
> >> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
> >> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
> >> laws come into force.
> >
> >Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
> >hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
> >bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on
the
> >back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
> >I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
> >tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
> >fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Maybe its time to begin a campaign showing all the things magic mushrooms
have given society and at the same time threaten to advocate for the removal
of these benefits with continued persecution eg certain public holidays no
longer holy but illegal.
Furthermore, like Johny Appleseed, write notes advocating magic mushrooms
wherever you go or whenever you have to wait for a bus or train.
From ignorance comes complacency, from knowledge will come enthusiasm, from
enthusiasm will come change.
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:uuni31hdmgm8d1nqp4on3u11npfb8gndr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>>> case, 25th May.
>>>
>>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>>> although I am sure it will.
>>>
>>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>>> laws come into force.
>>
>>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
Oh well, I guess
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Yeah, and the laws do need updating, just not like this.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
>>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>>fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
I really think it's high time- pun intended - they reclassified psychedlics;
if they can do it with cannabis, they can do it with mushrooms.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
Well I suppose it's better to give advice, but I don't hear much about major
problems people are having, even when they're sold by people who know
nothing. That's a testament to psilocybin's basic safety. In my experience,
the worst that usually happens is people get a bad scare or two, and they
learn to stay away from psychedelics if they really don't get along with
them.
I think there's a lot less hysteria about drugs than there used to be.
Though there's obviously still a bit of hysteria, hence this mad law.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
imprisonment at the worst?)
I think the law ought to be cleared up by reclassifying psilocybin, and
introducing age restrictions and mandatory safe use information.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Yeah, that is really ridiculous.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
Not surprised, no. But I think they're making things worse than they were.
It was nice living in a country where people who wanted to could get access
to a psychedlic experience with out having to worry about the police for a
change. It was too good to last, I suppose.
Bert
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
message news:uuni31hdmgm8d1nqp4on3u11npfb8gndr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>>> case, 25th May.
>>>
>>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>>> although I am sure it will.
>>>
>>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>>> laws come into force.
>>
>>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
Oh well, I guess
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Yeah, and the laws do need updating, just not like this.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
>>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>>fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
I really think it's high time- pun intended - they reclassified psychedlics;
if they can do it with cannabis, they can do it with mushrooms.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
Well I suppose it's better to give advice, but I don't hear much about major
problems people are having, even when they're sold by people who know
nothing. That's a testament to psilocybin's basic safety. In my experience,
the worst that usually happens is people get a bad scare or two, and they
learn to stay away from psychedelics if they really don't get along with
them.
I think there's a lot less hysteria about drugs than there used to be.
Though there's obviously still a bit of hysteria, hence this mad law.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
imprisonment at the worst?)
I think the law ought to be cleared up by reclassifying psilocybin, and
introducing age restrictions and mandatory safe use information.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Yeah, that is really ridiculous.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
Not surprised, no. But I think they're making things worse than they were.
It was nice living in a country where people who wanted to could get access
to a psychedlic experience with out having to worry about the police for a
change. It was too good to last, I suppose.
Bert
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
<snip>
>> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
>> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
>> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
>> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
>> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
>> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
>> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
>> eyes.
>>
>> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
>> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
>> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
>
>But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
>could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
>for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
>imprisonment at the worst?)
I keep hearing this, that this was a loophole.
It was not a loophole, it was legislation.
The thing is that it was legislation there to deal with the fact that
we have native Psilocybes, or at least Psilocybes that grow naturally
in this country.
It would have been easy enough to have legislated against in the form
of the outright ban as is now being proposed. However, this was not
the case, and as long as you picked fresh and consumed immediately
then the law provided for that.
The law applied to Psilocybes long before PF tek made home cultivation
easy for the novice or even the beginner. At this time there were
probably no fresh Psilocybes being sold and even less being
cultivated, and, as the 'shrooms were seasonal combined with the fact
that the legislation prohibited drying or preparation, then this was
effectively government sanctioned use of Psilocybes, providing the use
was within the narrow window in which they grow naturally.
The introduction of modern cultivation techniques, especially that of
PF, in the seventies and eighties meant that mushrooms could be
enjoyed legally and all year round, but usually only for the
cultivator and his close circle of friends.
It would be naive to assume that H.M. Gov. were not aware of these
techniques, but given that it was kept to a bare minimum and that no
untoward press stories were forthcoming there was no need to amend the
laws.
Status quo was adequate if not ideal.
Skip on to circa 2002 when some entrepreneurial type* saw and seized
the opportunity to make a fast buck by exploiting the law as was
written (and not a loophole in the law ), by importing fresh mushrooms
and grow kits from the Netherlands for sale in the UK.
It was this single act that has brought about the amendment to
completely ban and outlaw even simple possession of any Psilocybe
mushroom, fresh or otherwise.
Although I sometimes use 'I am an idiot' as my sig, I am no fool.
I do realise that it does sometimes take such action to bring to the
attention of the ignorant that use of such (as Psilocybes ) is quite
legal, however with little thought going into future repercussions and
thinking only of the meantime profits, the end result is that bringing
this information to the ignorant masses in the manner that it was has
mushroomed, pardon the pun, into something that is actually to the
detriment of the interested and participating parties who up till now
have been able to legally enjoy use of Psilocybes.
______
*Head product suppliers already importing bongs, pipes and other
(mainly ) cannabis smoking related paraphernalia from the Netherlands,
most of which, it should be noted, is sold in the UK through a *real*
loophole in the law by describing such paraphernalia as 'decorative'
or 'novelty items', because it is illegal to sell items to be used
with illegal substances, and in fact it is even illegal for a vendor
to lend assistance to a prospective purchaser by discussing how to use
the aforementioned items in conjunction with illegal and controlled
substances.
I would guess though, that no-one who ever bought a 4 pipe hookah,
herbal vaporiser or crack pipe had novelty or decorative uses in mind.
Cannabis seeds are also sold legally by the same vendors in the UK
under another *real* loophole that allows hemp seed to be traded as
fishbait, but again, did you ever hear of anyone prepared to pay
anything up to £100 for 10 seeds to feed to fish?
<snip>
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
<snip>
>> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
>> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
>> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
>> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
>> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
>> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
>> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
>> eyes.
>>
>> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
>> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
>> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
>
>But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
>could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
>for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
>imprisonment at the worst?)
I keep hearing this, that this was a loophole.
It was not a loophole, it was legislation.
The thing is that it was legislation there to deal with the fact that
we have native Psilocybes, or at least Psilocybes that grow naturally
in this country.
It would have been easy enough to have legislated against in the form
of the outright ban as is now being proposed. However, this was not
the case, and as long as you picked fresh and consumed immediately
then the law provided for that.
The law applied to Psilocybes long before PF tek made home cultivation
easy for the novice or even the beginner. At this time there were
probably no fresh Psilocybes being sold and even less being
cultivated, and, as the 'shrooms were seasonal combined with the fact
that the legislation prohibited drying or preparation, then this was
effectively government sanctioned use of Psilocybes, providing the use
was within the narrow window in which they grow naturally.
The introduction of modern cultivation techniques, especially that of
PF, in the seventies and eighties meant that mushrooms could be
enjoyed legally and all year round, but usually only for the
cultivator and his close circle of friends.
It would be naive to assume that H.M. Gov. were not aware of these
techniques, but given that it was kept to a bare minimum and that no
untoward press stories were forthcoming there was no need to amend the
laws.
Status quo was adequate if not ideal.
Skip on to circa 2002 when some entrepreneurial type* saw and seized
the opportunity to make a fast buck by exploiting the law as was
written (and not a loophole in the law ), by importing fresh mushrooms
and grow kits from the Netherlands for sale in the UK.
It was this single act that has brought about the amendment to
completely ban and outlaw even simple possession of any Psilocybe
mushroom, fresh or otherwise.
Although I sometimes use 'I am an idiot' as my sig, I am no fool.
I do realise that it does sometimes take such action to bring to the
attention of the ignorant that use of such (as Psilocybes ) is quite
legal, however with little thought going into future repercussions and
thinking only of the meantime profits, the end result is that bringing
this information to the ignorant masses in the manner that it was has
mushroomed, pardon the pun, into something that is actually to the
detriment of the interested and participating parties who up till now
have been able to legally enjoy use of Psilocybes.
______
*Head product suppliers already importing bongs, pipes and other
(mainly ) cannabis smoking related paraphernalia from the Netherlands,
most of which, it should be noted, is sold in the UK through a *real*
loophole in the law by describing such paraphernalia as 'decorative'
or 'novelty items', because it is illegal to sell items to be used
with illegal substances, and in fact it is even illegal for a vendor
to lend assistance to a prospective purchaser by discussing how to use
the aforementioned items in conjunction with illegal and controlled
substances.
I would guess though, that no-one who ever bought a 4 pipe hookah,
herbal vaporiser or crack pipe had novelty or decorative uses in mind.
Cannabis seeds are also sold legally by the same vendors in the UK
under another *real* loophole that allows hemp seed to be traded as
fishbait, but again, did you ever hear of anyone prepared to pay
anything up to £100 for 10 seeds to feed to fish?
<snip>
Bertrand Russell
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:31:00 -0000, "Bertrand Russell"
> <Bertie@spimmer> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Anony Muzz Azzole" <If_you_want_it_then_ask@fake-addie.com> wrote in
>>message news:tocg31pfhqpfk1or1t1fdl0i38t8q14ff8@4ax.com...
>>> The crown court has set a date for legal arguments to be heard in this
>>> case, 25th May.
>>>
>>> Let's hope it goes the same way as the Derby/Gloucester cases,
>>> although I am sure it will.
>>>
>>> These cases have little or no chance of successful prosecution,
>>> however the legal arguments will sit as judgements for when the new
>>> laws come into force.
>>
>>Any news on when the new laws are likely to come into force? I can't help
>>hoping that , what with a general election on May 5th, terror laws, back
>>bench revolts and all, that they might sort of put this legislation on the
>>back - burner for a bit ... but maybe I'm being naive.
> Yup, naive is a fair description.
Oh well, I guess
> This legislation against all Psilocybes,
> cultivation/possession/supply, is actually only a one line amendment
> to the laws that presently apply to Psilocybes, as part of a whole
> raft of measures being brought in to update UK drugs laws.
Yeah, and the laws do need updating, just not like this.
>
> Some of these new measures are Orwellian to say the least, dragging
> suspects to medical examinations and x-rays etc. to ensure they have
> not swallowed any contraband, longer detention without charge for
> suspects and such like.
> Other parts are fair enough, with tougher sentencing for people who
> ply their drugs to kids and around schools etc. (although, I am sure
> that if anyone is supplying kids around schools with drugs, it's most
> likely to be other kids, however it should be understood that an adult
> must have been involved at some point in supplying them ).
>
> The last hope for any repeal to the Psilocybes amendment has probably
> gone already, and you can expect it to be passed into law as early as
> late summer, and at the latest by the end of the year.
>
>>I really can't see who this mushroom clause benfits - its not like the
>>tabloids are full of people diving off of towerblocks thinking they can
>>fly...
> Make no mistake about why these new laws are being implemented, it has
> little to do with mushrooms use and everything to do with the fact
> that there were a plethora of vendors making money from selling
> something which in effect contained a schedule 1, class A
> controlled substance.
I really think it's high time- pun intended - they reclassified psychedlics;
if they can do it with cannabis, they can do it with mushrooms.
> I have been cultivating hallucinogenic mushrooms quite legally for
> over 15 years, I have legally supplied these mushrooms to many people
> over this time and I knew of at least another 30 people who, like me,
> were legally doing the same thing.
> Quietly, discreetly, responsibly.
>
> We knew at the time that we were breaking no laws, but we also were
> aware that should this ever get into the hands of capitalists then
> this situation would probably change ..., it did, and now it has.
>
> The people who have screwed this up are the shopkeepers who knew
> little about the mushroom, cared for it even less and saw the
> opportunity to cash in on a new product line without the
> responsibility or the understanding that should come with supplying
> such a potent entheogen.
Well I suppose it's better to give advice, but I don't hear much about major
problems people are having, even when they're sold by people who know
nothing. That's a testament to psilocybin's basic safety. In my experience,
the worst that usually happens is people get a bad scare or two, and they
learn to stay away from psychedelics if they really don't get along with
them.
I think there's a lot less hysteria about drugs than there used to be.
Though there's obviously still a bit of hysteria, hence this mad law.
> Take the smart shops in Holland, they have the right idea when it
> comes to responsible and safe supply of mushrooms, offering sensible
> advice and precautionary warning for use, selling only to adults with
> everything above board and legit.
>
> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
> eyes.
>
> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
imprisonment at the worst?)
I think the law ought to be cleared up by reclassifying psilocybin, and
introducing age restrictions and mandatory safe use information.
> Instead, what we got was the money grabbers highlighting the fact that
> anyone could sell and supply a class A controlled substance (albeit
> contained in a *legal* mushroom ) to anyone else, regardless of age,
> without even supplying them with the minimum of information on matters
> of safety, harm reduction or inherent dangers.
> There are tighter controls on the sale of paracetemol and aspirin in
> newsagents than there were on hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Yeah, that is really ridiculous.
>
> Are you really surprised that H.M Gov. wanted to put a stop to it?
Not surprised, no. But I think they're making things worse than they were.
It was nice living in a country where people who wanted to could get access
to a psychedlic experience with out having to worry about the police for a
change. It was too good to last, I suppose.
Bert
>
> It was an inevitable fact that this would be the only outcome if the
> irresponsible money grabbers introduced sales of hallucinogenic
> mushrooms in the way that they did.
>
> And now we all just have to live with it.
>
Anony Muzz Azzole
09-21-2007, 08:16 PM
<snip>
>> It was far from this with sales here in the UK, with every Tom, Dick
>> and Harry with a grow kit selling mushrooms to everyone and anyone on
>> eBay, and every other head shop up and down the country taking weekly
>> orders from importers in the SW (we know who you are, and ultimately
>> you should shoulder some of the blame for the present situation ) for
>> aggressive sale in their shops, regardless of their knowledge or
>> interest on the subject and with nothing but ££ ££ signs in their
>> eyes.
>>
>> The sad irony is that our laws regarding Psilocybes were perfectly
>> suited to any responsible collective coming along with a responsible
>> attitude in order to facilitate a change for the good.
>
>But it WAS just a loophole - the fact that preparing mushrooms that you
>could buy legally could potentially land you in jail
>for a long time (manufacturing a class A drug, wouldn't that be life
>imprisonment at the worst?)
I keep hearing this, that this was a loophole.
It was not a loophole, it was legislation.
The thing is that it was legislation there to deal with the fact that
we have native Psilocybes, or at least Psilocybes that grow naturally
in this country.
It would have been easy enough to have legislated against in the form
of the outright ban as is now being proposed. However, this was not
the case, and as long as you picked fresh and consumed immediately
then the law provided for that.
The law applied to Psilocybes long before PF tek made home cultivation
easy for the novice or even the beginner. At this time there were
probably no fresh Psilocybes being sold and even less being
cultivated, and, as the 'shrooms were seasonal combined with the fact
that the legislation prohibited drying or preparation, then this was
effectively government sanctioned use of Psilocybes, providing the use
was within the narrow window in which they grow naturally.
The introduction of modern cultivation techniques, especially that of
PF, in the seventies and eighties meant that mushrooms could be
enjoyed legally and all year round, but usually only for the
cultivator and his close circle of friends.
It would be naive to assume that H.M. Gov. were not aware of these
techniques, but given that it was kept to a bare minimum and that no
untoward press stories were forthcoming there was no need to amend the
laws.
Status quo was adequate if not ideal.
Skip on to circa 2002 when some entrepreneurial type* saw and seized
the opportunity to make a fast buck by exploiting the law as was
written (and not a loophole in the law ), by importing fresh mushrooms
and grow kits from the Netherlands for sale in the UK.
It was this single act that has brought about the amendment to
completely ban and outlaw even simple possession of any Psilocybe
mushroom, fresh or otherwise.
Although I sometimes use 'I am an idiot' as my sig, I am no fool.
I do realise that it does sometimes take such action to bring to the
attention of the ignorant that use of such (as Psilocybes ) is quite
legal, however with little thought going into future repercussions and
thinking only of the meantime profits, the end result is that bringing
this information to the ignorant masses in the manner that it was has
mushroomed, pardon the pun, into something that is actually to the
detriment of the interested and participating parties who up till now
have been able to legally enjoy use of Psilocybes.
______
*Head product suppliers already importing bongs, pipes and other
(mainly ) cannabis smoking related paraphernalia from the Netherlands,
most of which, it should be noted, is sold in the UK through a *real*
loophole in the law by describing such paraphernalia as 'decorative'
or 'novelty items', because it is illegal to sell items to be used
with illegal substances, and in fact it is even illegal for a vendor
to lend assistance to a prospective purchaser by discussing how to use
the aforementioned items in conjunction with illegal and controlled
substances.
I would guess though, that no-one who ever bought a 4 pipe hookah,
herbal vaporiser or crack pipe had novelty or decorative uses in mind.
Cannabis seeds are also sold legally by the same vendors in the UK
under another *real* loophole that allows hemp seed to be traded as
fishbait, but again, did you ever hear of anyone prepared to pay
anything up to £100 for 10 seeds to feed to fish?
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